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Hey folks, has anyone ever heard of this group? http://www.facebook.com/snecyouth It looks like they are affiliated with the 7th Day Adventist, they seem to me a cross of scouting, religion, military? (just by looking at the uniforms in the photos). Any info? Some of their uniforms borrow heavily from Scouting. *Edit* Apparently their group is called Pathfinders.(This message has been edited by Broken) *Edit 2* Huh, apparently it is the youth group of the adventist church. Learn something new every day.(This message has been edited by Broken)

Scouting is FOR THE BOYS. Many of today's adult volunteers needs to remember this and check their ego at the door. I think having the adult recognition knots was a horrible idea.

Heh Calico! I went to Unity as well, I only stayed a year though, way too small for me.

Seriously? You have a problem with someone saying "hey we are a national youth organization, youth obesity is a dangerous problem, maybe we should do something about it?" Really? encouraging kids to get healthy is a bad thing? Wow.

Sure it would be great if the uniform was made in the USA, then everyone here would be complaining about the price. You cant have it both ways.

@CNYSCouter Its not that your DE wasnt meeting HIS goals, it was the district wasnt meeting THEIR goals. While the DE lives or dies by their goals, they are directly impacted by the involvment of the district members. A DE cannot do it all, a DE who is highly successful has recruited a high speed crew of volunteers. I was in a council that went from 16 districts to 8, and you know why? because these districts REPEATEDLY weren't hitting their goals.

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Ok.... so I've read through this, and everyone complains that Scouting doesn't get the kids outside enough. My question to you is.... What is stopping you from getting the kids outside? Someone mentioned units that just sit in the Church basement, how is that National's fault? National puts the program out there, its up to the volunteers to effectively implement it. If troops are having trouble keeping kids, maybe they should look at how they are implementing that program. You can only blame national for so much folks.

FOS doesnt only go to camps, at least when I do my presentations I make it clear that it goes somewhat to camps, but also to the programs the Scouts get all year long. I am sorry, but if camp isnt filling each week and is operating as a loss to the council then it isnt doing its job. The camp I used to work at would have 700 kids a WEEK for damn near 8 weeks. If the camp isnt bringing kids in the management needs to take a long hard look at why.

Oh I wasnt even referencing FOS with my last post, more your point of the ever widening gap between volunteers and Pro's.

Baden the problem I saw in the districts I served was everyone wanted everything done by someone else. No one had the time to help out. Hell I even had a pack that was angry with me for not stepping in and just running their recruitment/program (this was after three months of me calling and e-mailing various pack leaders and getting no response) A lot of people were first in line to complain about something but would never step up to help solve the problem when asked. It was frustrating beyond all get out.

If they can get kids to attend the camp there will be no need at all to moth ball or sell the camp. If half the people who rally to "save" a camp took three units to do camp presentations for, then your attendance issues would disappear. Why would any council want to keep a property that no one uses?

I Would have no problem with Scouting going full co-ed. I think it would be a benefit to the program.

How many scouts use the camp per year? I guarantee you that if you get a massive amount of scouts to use the property council will not want to sell it. But if no one uses it, its destined to be sold off.

Sctdad... the DE tells you when YOUR units recruitment night will be? When I was a pro, it was up to the packs to schedule them, I would then make sure flyers were printed and approved for the schools, do boy talks (if the school system let us) and then be there the night of to offer any support I could. But I never told a unit when their recruitment was, unless they were really struggling.

Who cares if someone puts this on their own uniform? What are the Boy Scout Police going to come and get them? The Scouts in the black knee socks come take them away? If this is all you have to worry about, then your program must be running awesome!

Out of curiosity, what could he have done if he showed up? Was the program for the weekend contingent on him? When I was a pro, I would go out for a few hours on Saturdays when there were camporees. But sometimes due to family obligations I couldnt make it. I would come to basically check in with everyone, see how everyone is doing and hang out. But no part of the program was ever contingent on me being there.(This message has been edited by broken)

I am a big fan of the new uniform, it was change that was needed.

Good lord I would have hated to work at that council! Luckily I was blessed with a great "support" structure of upper mgmt.

The DE is only one person, they cant do it all themselves.

Eagle, what do you think is the root of the turnover rate? Why dont they want to stay?

"Even if you do notyo like the man, he is still the president." Exactly Skeptic! Thats all you heard from the Right during the Bush years when all the Leftys were protesting him. Wheres that sentiment now? Its like bizarro world, actually heard someone from the Right saying that they didnt want the government telling them what do to with their body... Would have loved if the reporter immediately got their opinion on abortion after that statement

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/us/04school.html?bl&ex=1252296000&en=aca08736a6e52505&ei=5087%0A What the hell is wrong with people? Seriously? What is wrong with the President telling kids to work hard and stay in school? How is that bad? How could anyone disagree with that sentiment? I was no fan of Bush, but if he gave a speech to the nations students, it wouldn't have bothered me in the least.

Oh trust me Baden I was, but things like having someone refuse to help the district because district/council didnt give them money to buy a troop trailer, or insure a van they bought. Or the countless times I had volunteers flat out lie to my field director about me/my performance, luckily he knew what they were full of. Maybe it was better where you were/when you were a pro. But where I was, it was all about adult egos and not the kids. Thats what burned me out. To many people thought it was "man Scouts" that they let their kids tag along to. *edit* Not all my volunteers cut me down, in

Ahh, this thread is a perfect example of why I have lost my faith in religion. Now dont go worrying, I believe in god. I believe that got created all we saw, but not in 7 days. He, she it, they started the whole pot boiling and walked away. I believe god has no influence on our daily life, and all religions are just mans interpretations of whats around us. There is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no divine intervention. Storms are just storms, floods are just floods, fires just fires, god has nothing to do with anything that happens. I gave been immeasurably happy since I realized this.