Bob White

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The best thing you can do is to sit down and write a thoughtful and courteous letter to the local council Scout Executive, and District Executive. Tell them what you observed, and what your recommendations are for improvement, and what you would be willing to do to help with those changes. It could be anything from working on staff, helping with camp setup, maybe even helping with the Friends of Scouting Fundraising campaign so that the council can afford new equipment. But other than that there is really not much you can do. You have no authority in the selection or development of

There are two separate and unique but similar sounding programs in the BSA. A Venturing Crew is a specific age defined program and just like a Boy Scout Troop or a Cub Scout Pack, A Varsity Team or a Sea Scout Ship it is it's own unit wit its own charter. It is forYouth male or female that are 14 and out of the eighth grade to age 20 (21 actually in some cases but that is another thread). A Boy Scout Troop on the other is recommended to be made of three types of Patrols. A New Scout Patrol for scouts under the ranks of First Class, and Experienced Patrol, and a Venture Patrol.

Thanks John, but what I said was accurate. the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures allows for "the unit leader" not any unit leader, or an assistant unit leader, but "the unit leader" to stay in the room during the questioning by the board. He or she as I explained cannot ask questions but may only anwers questions asked of them by the board should they need clarification on anything. (also see step 9 of the 12 Steps From Life to Eagle which is part of the Eagle Scout Service Project Planning Kit.) "The unit leader" of a Troop is the Scoutmaster, of a Ship: the Skipper, of

"They" cannot be present. The regulations specifically state the unit leader (Scoutmaster, Skipper, Advisor, Coach) There is nothing that allows an assistant or a parent to be present.

A Unit leader is responsible for knowing the needs and characteristics of the scouts he or she serves. (There is a reason why the have Scoutmaster Conferences, and why the Scoutmaster is supposed to be doing them.) The unit leader is the manager of the advancement program. The unit leader gives counsel to the senior patrol leader in their selection of the junior leaders. Now lets put these three rersponsibilities into a coordinated purpose. Through their contact with the scouts and functions such as the SM Conference, the Scoutmaster knows what skills each scout has, whe

Understand that each unit is an individual entity. They all get the same handbooks but not everyone reads them and not everyone follows them. The most important role a charter organization has is to select quality leaders. The problem in the unit you have described is not a fault of the Scouting program but of the people selected to lead in in that particular unit. You cannot have a scouting program when you do not follow the scouting program.

There is no rule in the BSa that requires a scout to use one activity toward just one requirements unless that requirement SPECIFICALLY prohibits the repeatative use. And there are a couple of requirements like that. Unit's have no authority to set to add to or suibtract from ANY of the BSA requirements. this includes setting a "no double dipping rule" as described in Liz's post. Leaders needd to understand that the BSA sets advancement rules and NO ONE ELSE. Even for one unit to not know and not fullow the BSA advancement program correctly is too many.

ANY person in or out of Scouting schould be allowed to protect the safety and the sanctity of his or her own body. In Scouting we teach and support the three r's of youth protection. The second R is for "resist" if a person has to strike another in order to protect their body I see nothing that is in conflict with the rules of the BSA.

You will not find a list of who can be cause iot is to extensive. You will only find an explanation of who cannot, and the CR is not on the that list as long as they are not a relative of the candidate's. One clarification. While the Unit Leader (remember that not all Eagle candidates are Boy Scouts) cannot be on the panel at the board of review they can be present, and may answer questions directed to them by the board if clarificatiuon on a topic is required. So while the unit leader (Scoutmaster, Skipper, Adviser, Coach) cannot aske questions of the Candidate they may be presen

My apologies for keeoping you waiting for a response Eagle1982. I did not see your post until SMDonHal resurrected the thread. What I was refering to was things outside of scouting that would help bomfd the Group together. Besides being similar ages it could be that they all like to fish, or that they are all St. Louis Cardinal fans, or they are all into cars, or they all like country western music, or they all play instruments, or they are all on the track team It helps that they have something in common besides scouting that will help them to enjoy each others company.

I would have a talk with the cub and his adult partner. Have the scout explain to you and his mom or dad why such language is improper. Explain to the parent that you appreciate their invovement in seeing that it does not happen again, Then I would require that the scout apologize to the female leader. Whether he was saying it about her or not, he used that language in front of her and that in itself deserves an apology.

The information on program planning and its resources are in the Scoutmaster/assistant Scoutmaster Leader Specific Training Course. But if the goal is to make youth better at the process it would seem to me you have the wrong audience.

Should it be saved? The answer boils down to one question. Does the Charter organization want a Scout program? If not then the unit is dead. If they want one then the District members have an obligation to fulfill their roles in helpiong to get the unit viable again.

There'd be nothing dishonest about it. You see the leadership requirement does not require that the project be any specific length of time. The Scoutmaster blew it when he did not recognize that the scout had not completed his leadership requirement back in July during the SM Conference. He could easily have given him a leadership project to do over the next few months that could have resulted in a successful BOR in October and allowing the scout enough time to complete his Eagle requirements. But the Committee also let the scout down by delaying his BOR for 4 months which should NEV

When the Scout did not pass the board of review was he given a written explanation of what requirement was not completed and what he could do to complete it? If not then the troop committee did not follow the correct procedures. Had they been more concerned about the developmentg of the scout then of simply passing him or not passing him they would have talked with the Scoutmaster to get the scout a position or a project that would have allowed him to complete the rank in time to continue toward Eagle. You will find the process that the board should have followed in the Advancement Commi

Program folks are the Cubmaster and assistant cubmasters, the den leaders and their assistants. Administrative would be the Committee Chair and the committee members including the PC and the pack Trainer. Mnay packs do their program planning with the the committee members and Program folks all together. With smaller packs this works especially well. With larger packs it is much more difficut to get things done this way. As an example as a Cubmaster we had 14 dens. We had 28 den leaders and assistant den leaders 4 assistant cubmasters, plus a committee of about 14. We could rare

Thanks CubPack28, I completely forgot about the new position of ScoutParent Coordinator. If that is the position that hopalong is refering to then their job is really about coordinating the parnets who are not registered leaders to participate and staff events and activities for the Pack.

That is a lot to ask to be explained in a forum setting. And I have to admit that it is surprising to hear these kinds of quetions after you say you have attended basic training. To answer you first question of "what is program", it is ANY activity sactioned by the pack that involves its members (either youth or adult) that are not prohibited by the policies of the BSA. So a Den meeting is part of the pack program, so is a Den meeting, so is a pack outing, so is a committee meeting, so is a committee bar-b-que, so is Day Camp, or the Blue and Gold banqet. All of these are part of yo

The same reason the BSA doesn't give the Pack rules for running a babysitting services is the same reason the pack should not do it either. It ios not a part of the Cub Scout program, it is not a function of the pack, It is not covered by BSA insurance unlike the pack program activities. By instructing the NON-Registered leader you are assuming the responsibility and liability for that service and for her, and if a child gets hurt you as the adult could be held personally liable. Youare there as a scout leader to lead the scouting program. Non-member youths are the responsibilty of

As a former Cubmaster I agree with DeanRx.

Remember that if you are using the New Scout Patrol, that while you would not have the patrol leader test and sign off on requirements you can use the Troop Guides and the Assistant Scoutmaster for New Scout Patrols do it. Patrol Leaders could do the testing for ranks below their own in their patrols, and then of course you could use the other Assistant Scoutmasters a well.

As a cubmaster of a large pack we only had Den dues of $1 a week. Pack funds were obtained through Fall Popcorn sales and through flower/plant sales in the Spring

You could put 2 den leaders in the room and neither the BSA accident insurance or liability protection would extend to protect either the leaders or the children in case of an injury.

"What are the BSA rules that apply to babysitting siblings at the events?" There are none and for good reason. the children are not members and so they, the girl, the girls parents, and likely the CO, are not covered by the unit or BSA accident insurance or liability protection for such a service. Does the property owner know that an unlicensed and uninsured babysitting service is being operated on their property? Should a child in the care of the babysitter become injured or should any property damage be done there could be civil and possibly criminal charges leveled against th