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Bob White

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  1. Have you considered that you could call them and ask for an e-mail address to send it to?
  2. Okay so you didn't inform the BSA yet. Here is there Phone Number. They should be open tomorrow. When you call tell the operator you are concerned about some inappropriate use of the Scouting uniform on the internet as well as website using the Cub Scout nasme that is inappropriate and you would like to report it. They will put you in touch with the right office. I found this number by entering Boy Scout National office phone number into google. It was the first site returned. 972-580-2000(This message has been edited by Bob White)
  3. It's not about the word as I said NJ that was a simple mistake, I was addressing that some leaders never read the handbook beyond the requirements pages and because of that they do not understand the requirement. Forget the error on the words "or/and" NJ, if you knew that using the tracks was acceptable then why did you say I was wrong? You focused on what you thought the requirement was rather than what the Handbook explained the skill to be. You looked no further than the requirements page and determined I was wrong. And that was my point. Folks need to read the Handbook not just
  4. That's terrible Firekat, what did the BSA national office say when you gave them the information?
  5. "BW, the boat all depends on how fast the USCG can get there, yes? Not necessarily ASM915, for a few reasons. USCG is not the only agency on the water with emergency services for one thing. Depending on the vessel, you might have professional medical services on board. Not all boating will be High Adventure. Crewing a race boat yes, whitewater rafting certainly. But pleasure cruising in a light breeze in sight of a marina, not so much. Just as not all land activity is high adventure not all water activity is. But when it is if ground evacuation would exceed 30 minutes then the polic
  6. You are not alone Schiff, lots of folks do things they are not supposed to do. The only difference is as Scoutleaders we are supposed to be setting a different example. You had a choice of helping the Salvation Army without violating BSA policies. You simply chose not to. The Scouts probably are not even aware that they are doing anything wrong. They probably counted on you to guide them according to the rules of the program. After all they would be just as proud about helping others and have just as much fun without wearing the uniform. Go figure.
  7. With millions of people having access to the uniforms of the BSA you have to have some way to protect the image of scouting from being misused. To that end the BSA prohibits the use of scouts or scouters IN UNIFORM from soliciting for other organizations. Nothing keeps the scout or scouter from volunteering to help anyone or ringing bells for the Salvation Army. The BSA justs instructs that there is no need to tie the BSA to the actuivity. Do it as a good citizen. You know you are a scout, there is no need for you to advertise it to others. You are there for the Salvation Army not for Scouting
  8. To whom are you addressing these questions Scoutnut?
  9. So given the choice Basementdweller would you rather be in a scouting situation where you had a good Charter relationship, enough leaders, enough money, supportive parents, and good equipment...or would you rather have the problems you have. It's a choice. Units that have these things did not get them from dumb luck. There is no Scouting fairy that come in the night and drops these things in you r lap. They come from following proven methods. Units that don't have your problem did't get this way by whining about other people in the unit and the job they do or don't do. So would
  10. A perfect example Eagle 92. Patrols have ALWAYS been able to to hikes and overnight campouts without adults with the permission if the Scoutmaster ...ALWAYS. Even when you were a scout. Your leaders either did not know or did not tell you. It is still in the Handbook today. In fact is in the Scoutmasters Handbook, the Guide to Safe Scoutin, the Youth Protection training, AND it is in the syllabus of the Leader Specific Training. The problem is not in the BSA program, it is the lack of use of the BSA program by some scouters. If you are in a unit where scouts are not doing activities
  11. A boat at sea is definitely high adventure and nothing in the requirement says that you must reach shore in 30 minutes. It would appear that the requirement would not come into play until the boat reached shore. At that point if the victime could not be evacuated by ground within thirty minutes then the policy would apply. It would depend on the area in which you were boating and your resources. A canoe in the backcountry would likely fall within the conditions of the policy, a boat cruising a few miles of shore near marinas would probably not. However as a matter of good boa
  12. Sounds delicious but it really would not require a dutch oven since this is a pan fry recipe and not an oven baked one. You should be able to do this in a large fry pan with a lid and the bottom heat of a camp stove since it would give you better heat control than a campfire. While you might be able to do this in a dutch oven they work best as a baking unit when you want to heat the air around the food in order to bake it. Ideally you place more coal on the lid than underneath in order to bake the food item inside. A good thing to do would be practice it at home first before you tr
  13. "Like sailin' into Canadian waters on the Great Lakes." Any restrictions of that are controlled by federal laws more so those of the BSA. The BSA would require only a float plan and National tour permit. The Laws of the US. and Canadada require much more. I really do not think you have enough information on boating or on the Sea Sea Scout program to comment accuarately on what they can or cannot do. Let's remmebr that it is the BSA program that allows Patrols to camp on their own without adults, and yet we have already shown the vast number of posters on this forum alone who n
  14. Not all summer camps are the same. If the council determines that their program or thier topography makes your participation a "high adventure" activity then Yes, you will be subject to the weight policies that will soon go into effect. If your Council determines that your participation is not a hihg adventure activity then No, the elements of the weight limitation policies do not apply. This really is not hard to understand unless you choose to make it hard. This is a about reducing the difficulty to evacuate an injured person in order to expidite their transportation to profes
  15. Scoutldr you do know that as a registered scouter The BSA provides you liability coverage for free as part of your membership right? Was you financial advisor aware of that?(This message has been edited by Bob White)
  16. Everything anyone reads is an interpretation, the very act of reading is one of interpretation. That does not mean that there are not correct and incorrect interpretations to everything.(This message has been edited by Bob White)
  17. Simply put Hal the policy says "beyond a radius wherein emergency evacuation is more than 30 minutes by ground transportation" It does not say medical attention within 30 minutes, it says "emergency evacuation by ground". They are not the same thing. In your summer camp is there a program or campsite area where yo could not be evacuted from in in thirty minutes be on your way by vehicle or air transport to medical a medical facility? I'll bet not. IS summer Camp high adventure for adults? That depends on te camp doesn't it? The rules makes good sense, and if you do not mee
  18. I've mad mistakes NJ, and I have always apologized for them. It's a personal choice. I did not ask for an apology or expect one. All I was interested in was folks understanding the reqiuirement and that they have to read other pages besides the requirement pages of the Handbook. We are seeing the same thing in a post from Kudu in another thread. He read the requirement and not the handbook and has misrepresented what it means.. Even though you misread the requirement, had you been famililar with the content of the handbook on that topic do you think you would have made the same error?
  19. I would have explained to the cubmaster that I have a plan, resources, and adult supervision for the cubs in the den I serve, that is my role in the pack. If the other dens need leadership then the Cubmaster and the Committee chair will need to deal with at problem, right? I would say it with a smile and tell him if they need to get new leaders I would be happy to help train them. Then I would go back and work wit the scouts I was responsible for. If you asre going to be taking care of the other Dens then WHY would anyone try and find someone else. They have no problem. You solved
  20. It woud be a real misunderstanding of the scouting program to think that if the scouts don't bring up Duty to God and Reverence to God then we as leaders do not need to address it. Duty to God and Reverence is an intergal part of the Scouting program, The BSA makes this abundantly clear when it says that its members cannot grow into the best kind of citizen without a religious element. Whether the scout brings it up or not, we have agreed as Scouting program leaders to help every scout along their individual path by including Duty to God and Reverence to God in the unit program. It
  21. Geez Kudu! Use a little common sense here. The requirements don't say to sail those distances perpendicular to the coastline straight out to sea! Heck there are Sea Scouts in the BSA who sail vessels further than that with an all youth crew all the time. Just not out into international waters. There's a BSA Sea Scout requirement for a long cruise of 14 days. It doesn't mean to travel perpendicular to the coast line for two weeks! That would be insane for any youth program to authorize in any country. Good grief how can possibly think that is what those requirements meant?
  22. Yeah Scoutnut! Let's not throw over 75 years of program development and resources aside especially for a brand new leader. The BSA training and resources are THE BEST THING for this new leader. Don't ignore Program Helps, USE THEM. They will make your job of planning so much easier. Use Boys' Life magazine, it has great games and magic tricks in it to use as higlights or as pre-opening acytivites while you wait for the others to show up. I think some of the best things for a new leader to know is ..relax, smile, talk nice ALL THE TIME. Be prepared, have a plan, have the items you wi
  23. I really was not looking for or expecting an apology, I was explaining the requirement and showing the importance of reading beyond the requirements page. The handbook explains what needs to be done or can be done to learn the skill and to to pass the requirement. I think your error wasan easy one to make and probaly very common when the focus is on the requirements pages and not on the skill itself as it is explained in the Handbook. No apology was needed.
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