Vicki

t487, I had many of the same thoughts you express. Thanks for "verbalizing" them, I wasn't sure how to say it. I do see a definite double standard playing out. As you indicate, this is not a slam against the LDS, but rather against the double standard. Vicki

Yep, Weight Watchers worked for me. South Beach looks OK as long as you're reasonable about it. My husband wanted to do Atkins, I went along with him (with serious reservations) - I couldn't finish induction. Low blood sugar, mood swings, got downright ill. I know some people are successful with it, but it definitely isn't for everybody. Added pushups and leglifts back to my workout this week - partly due to reading these posts. Also due to needing to wear those darn shorts by NYLT:

Interesting. In our council, not only do you go through HQ to get registered for the MB, but you must give permission for your name and phone number (and e-mail address if you have one) to be published in the directory and on the web-page. Otherwise you won't be allowed to be a counselor. Our troop does have several adults for most, if not all, of the Eagle-required MBs (the Citizenship badges as one notable exception) and all of our guys go to the same counselor for those. Vicki

I lost 57 lbs three years ago using Weight Watchers (they don't require that you attend meetings anymore) - down to the midrange weight for my height. I got my workouts up to almost an hour of treadmill or recumbent exercise bike and some calisthenics. In the last year, especially, I've gained some of it back (18 lbs total) and I blame most of it on scouting food. Some of it is due to the fact that the church I serve does occasionally have irrestistible goodies. Summer camp was worth eight pounds, mostly because of the high carb, salt, fat content. Weekend camps are usually worth thre

FB, if by "Montana" you're referring to my post, maybe my point wasn't clear. I'm a big fan of men in all shapes, sizes and most frames of mind (OK, not hugely overweight and the ones who think women are second class citizens can take a hike). Growing boys into good men is why I'm involved in the BSA in the first place (getting into the heads of my own through knowing a wide spectrum of boys is an ulterior motive). What I'm not a big fan of is the indulgence of the prurient side of human nature that makes subject lines like the one for this topic OK. I'm with others here who think this is

I'm saddened because no matter where I turn, I'm faced with this sort of thing. But I admit there are days when I despair of our society and just want to jump in a hole and pull it in after me. "Movin' to Montana soon, gonna be a dental floss tycoon"...courtesy of Frank Zappa. Vicki

Well, you said you had backup goals so I think you answered your own question...you have a Plan B. Hard to speculate as to whether or not anyone will show up, I think you just have to take your chances. Vicki

Sounds like a question for your Troop Guide, who is hopefully much more familiar with your individual situation than this forum could ever be. (Assuming I understand your post - the only question asked was "what if no one signs up?") Vicki (fixed a typo)(This message has been edited by Vicki)

Greg, it sounds like you did what you needed to do and it is working out for you. Glad to hear back, so often people just post and disappear. In terms of the process for removing an SM, I really appreciated Kahuna posting that historical reference. It points to the ongoing evolution of Scouting from the "command and control" orientation to "teamwork and cooperation". The latter can get messy at times, but I think the outcomes tend to be better for all concerned. I've been stewing about this "boobies" comment and even though this is an old thread, I just have to say something. You

Thanks for the confirmation as to the primary nature of the insurance. Not to quibble, Mich632, but what the other language is telling you is that they want 14 days to review the tour permit application and determine if the proposed activity and supervision of it is within BSA guidelines. Failure to comply may limit their liability - reasonable precaution on their part. It is not the more general statement that you took it as, that failure to follow more general BSA guidelines will limit their liability. Vicki(This message has been edited by Vicki)(This message has been edited by Vicki

I like OGE's approach - we've always done ours on meeting night...I don't know why, probably has something to do with the availability of the Scouts at other times. We know we have the scouts on meeting night. Vicki(This message has been edited by Vicki)

Trevorum, I haven't been around as long as some here, but my gut reaction is that setting limitations on ECoHs is a bad thing. That said, I think, if I were you, I would try to keep track of when their paperwork goes to National and pencil in time periods accordingly. If "many" of the 25 have "completed all requirements or are very close to doing so", the differences in actual completion time plus the lag time for National to approve should add up to enough spacing to get your program in and not burn your troop out on ECoH. Wouldn't hurt to mention that this is coming up at the committee me

All, I would suggest that questions along the lines we're covering here would best be directed to your council representative. What we're discussing is conjecture at best. What I have reported is what I learned from an insurance company rep combined with my own experience with insurance, self-insured or not. This is not intended to be defensive, arrogant or rude, simply saying that this is a subject best discussed with people who can be held liable for their answers. Vicki

except for intentional or criminal acts. You are covered in the event of negligence, which is basically what we're talking about here. Vicki

BW, I never said medical costs, I said damages. Two different things in "insurancespeak." I also stand by my previous post - if you are a registered leader, the BSA cannot choose to not cover you. They can take you to court for your own negligence, but that's not the same thing, either. Vicki

Cajun, to answer your question - the reason your homeowner's comes into it is because there is usually a liability component to that insurance coverage. See Eisely's post. I would also suggest you call your insurance agent. As far as your CO's insurance - for example, if someone trips over a loose bit of carpet at a Scout meeting and breaks an ankle, the CO's insurance would be primary since the accident was a result of their "negligence" in having a condition that could cause an accident. If, OTOH, at that same meeting, you are in the parking lot doing lashings and a scout's head gets

I echo Acco40 on this one. Our troop tries to assign a pair of den chiefs to a den and requires that the scout be First Class or above. We usually start them with Bears and, if all goes well, they progress with the den through the ranks. If not, a year and they can be done. We've had mixed experience - my nephew and his best friend were den chiefs for my son's den and they were great! Had the trust of the DLs, helped run the meeting, ran games, the whole nine yards. OTOH, my son has been den chief for a year along with his buddy - his buddy stopped coming when baseball started (even on n

BW, some of it is self-insured and some is through a combination of companies - to total $15 million. Liberty Mutual is one of them, I don't know the others. A very large portion of it is self-insured. The Council Accident and Sickness Plan is also available from a number of carriers, depending on the council. Ours is with ACE American Insurance - another one I found is Mutual of Omaha. Vicki

LPC thumper wrote>it may seem like things are very different. They are and they aren't... > You can say that again! But it's still scouting. Thanks for the clarification. Vicki

Actually, researching this was part of my Wood Badge ticket:

LDS scouts advance on their birthday? Honest, innocent question here - how does that work with advancement requirements? FYI, according to The American Heritage dictionary, the second definition of constraint, "the state of being restricted or confined within prescribed bounds." I believe Trevorum used the word correctly. A constraint is neither good nor bad, it just is. Vicki

Yeah, I'd say local option is in effect - my son and I just did the Life to Eagle seminar in our district. He needs to ask four to six people to provide reference letters which will get sent directly to the people who will organize the BoR. A form letter providing the suggested format was provided along with return envelopes. Vicki

Leslie, first off, you're right - some of the posters here can come off as condescending. Some don't seem to have read your posts where (on multiple occasions) you mention the availability of training in your area and that you DO intend to get training. Please let it be as water to a duck's back:

Guess I never realized how good we have it - ours is online and updated pretty quickly. I know when I signed up for 3 merit badges at different times, my name appeared just about the same time I got the notification that I was approved. If you don't send in your re-registration paperwork, it gets taken off pretty quickly too (not personally experienced yet:

NJScouter - #2 is the way our council does it. Eamonn - our council requires MB counselors to re-up every year. Have to admit though - I understand our council is one of the larger, more active ones in the country. Vicki