SR540Beaver

Jason, You claim to be honest, yet you've lied repeatedly. You claim to want a second chance because in your mind you have proven yourself. What you failto understand is that you have been given 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th chances by many people here. We tried to include you and engage you even when we thought you're posts were a little strange. There is a point in a Troop where chances can and do run out and a boy might be asked to leave. No one here is being un-scoutlike for not trusting you or wanting to deal with you any longer. They've simply grown tired of your antics after many attempts to work with you. You've done this to yourself. Be a man and own up to your actions and the consequences. Learn from it. Move on. I sent Scouter Terry an e-mail this morning saying that I suspected some of our newer posters (and yes, I named all of your multiple personalities) might be the same person. I told him that I felt it was detracting from the community we enjoy and share. I didn't ask for anyone to be banned. I just asked him to look into it. I'm pretty confident that I was not the only member to e-mail Terry. Shortly after my e-mail, the thread from Terry concerning using only one name appeared. You know the rules now. I don't know if Terry will ban your other user names like he did Jason OK. I really don't care. I think what you will find is that no one will pay anymore attention to you. I also think that if you continue to spam the threads like you've done for the past week with all of your new names, those will get banned as well. Move on please and grow up. Seek some help.

Hold on there pardner! Whoaaaa!!! I am the self appointed peanut butter king in these hyar parts. Ya done went and stole my claim. We hang folks like you. Somebody git a rope! Out of the fridge? Now that is a hanging offense.

Darn the luck!

Spot on!

Do you have a website?

firstpusk, In the famous words of Homer Simpson.....mmmmmmm, beeeer.

Jason, With all due respect, the more you post, the more I come to the conclusion that you have some serious issues.

OGE, Sorry my friend, but I start each day with a heaping spoonful of chucky Peter Pan peanut butter for breakfast. It gives me a shiny coat.

Rooster, But that is exactly what would happen as it already has. Remember that there are Cub Scouts under the BSA umbrella also. Do you want a Tiger Cub to have to consider his views on abortion? Political issues is NOT what Scouting is about. You are projecting your own agenda onto the program. I know my son better than you. Trust me, he doesn't know how babys are made. He knows what I've shared with him so far. He is VERY frank with me in asking questions about what he does hear from his peers.

firstpusk, Sad.....so sad. My heart hurts for you. There is such a huge world of peanut butter out there and there you sit with such apathy and lack of understanding. You will be in my thoughts. I'll gladly mentor you in the fine art of eating large spoonfuls of superior peanut butter if you wish.

Rooster, Come on! What other issues do you want BSA to issue position statements on? My 11 year old Boy Scout son doesn't even know how babys are made yet. Why should he have to defend the BSA's position on abortion when he is out selling popcorn to someone who takes issue with BSA's position. From time to time you hear of people jumping on a Scout over the Gay/atheist stance. All we need is to expose boys to more of that. Deliver the program as designed, don't turn the BSA or your unit into a political organization. If you teach boys the ABC's (Scout Oath and Law) of ethical behavior, the rest will fall into place without having to tell them what to think.

JIF is for amateurs and children. Peter Pan is the preferred spread for dedicated and experienced peanut butter lovers.

btps, No, not necessarily. But some people wear "politically incorrect" like a badge of honor and go out of their way to be intentionally offensive. FOG, Sorry if that is happening to the boys in your unit, it isn't in ours.

Rooster, I'm not pro-choice. But Scouting does not exist for the political or religious purposes of adult leaders who take an interest in current events. Tell me how you would incorporate anti-abortion polices into your unit's program. Would you do this during the patrol meetings, the skills session, the SM Minute, at a campfire program, etc. Should we put a section in the Handbook telling the boys the position they should take on abortion? The Scout Oath and Law is all the ethics a young boy needs in a nutshell. Combine that with caring adult leadership and examples and they can learn how to think for themselves and apply those simple points to complex issues.

Click on "Search Forums" up above. Do a user name search on WHEELER. Read to your heart's content. He really enjoyed cutting and pasting extremely long posts, was fond of Greek philosophers and thought the BSA had become a bunch of wimps who were stealing the boys masculinity away from them. He was very proud of not being "politically correct". He was a real peach!

NJ, Sir, I stand corrected. It is "creamy" indeed. Since I keep my wife's creamy peanut butter pushed as far back in the pantry as possible, I don't see it enough to recall the correct term. Of course, in an extreme survival situation.....I would eat it out of necessity.

Jason, Why would they? How does it relate to Scouting? The BSA is concerned with providing a program to boys that fulfills their mission statement. Having stands on every hot button issue of the day does not serve the boys who chose Scouting. A more relevant question is their stand on peanut butter. Chunky or smooth? I'm a chunky fan and will fight to the death to defend it over smooth.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm!?

BP, I'm not going to disagree with you about MTV and today's culture. However, keep in mind that people complained about Elvis and that danged rock and roll music with it's savage tom-tom beat that made kids lustful back in the mid 50's. Each generation has been on the verge of total collapse in someone's eyes since recorded history.

Guys, I don't want to speak for Hops, but remember that he is a Scout and not a Scouter. I think his question has more to do with a boy's perspective of Scouting not being cool than an adult view. Yes, we all accept Scouting and wear the funny little uniform with joy. I think the question is why do so many boys see Scouting as uncool and what can change that view. Sadly, I don't think anything would. We are a values based organization. We will always be an easy target. I remember growing up as a Christian getting the same type guff from my peers. As long as you believe in what you are doing, it helps ease the sting of the ribbing you get. Now that I'm 47, I could care less what any naysayer has to say. I figure he is entittled to his stupid opinion.

ASM59, You can do it! We just started a new troop two weeks ago with eight 11 year old boys and we are starting it off boy led. The first week was mostly paper work with our DE. We registered adults and boys and filled out the charter registration. During part of this process, the SM took the boys outside to work on skills. The second week, the boys worked on selecting a troop neckerchief, discussing where they want to camp the rest of the year (especially this month) and holding an election for the PL. Since we are so small, the PL will also be the acting SPL. Tonight will be the third meeting. The boys have been checking out camps thru the internet and will present and decide where they want to go this month. This will also provide us with ideas to round out the rest of the year's schedule. Out newly mented 11 year old PL will conduct the meeting to the best of his ability. He is my son and while I am not planning the meeting agenda for him, I am coaching him when he has questions. He knows which "business" items need to be discussed this week since he took notes last week. He tapped a leader last week to present some cooking skills and is picking out a game for the boys to play. He has pretty much decided on who he wants to tap for other POR's and will visit with the SM pre-meeting tonight to go over the list. If we can do it from scratch with eight 11 year old boys, you can do it with 21 boys and trained leaders. Get a copy of the SM Handbook and the Troop Resource Guide. Yes it is work, but you'll find it easier than you think. You already have a good core with 21 boys. Once you let them make their own decisions and elect their own leaders, stand back.....it will grow.

BW, I wish you had referenced the his post. I did a search and found one where he complimented your knowledge of the rules and he said he enjoyed your posts. He did say he thought you were a little rigid (my words, not his), but over all he seemed rather supportive of you.

Rooster, You keep changing the conditions of the situation described. You are correct, the Scouts can take charge of creating their own service and there can be multiple services of different faiths at the same event. However, for this Camporee there was only one service scheduled and it was heavily denominationally slanted. Whoever was in charge of setting it up messed up. They should have informed the minister of what was needed and if his convictions tell him not to, he could have declined. I understand what you are saying since I have been in a conservative, evangelical church all my life. I've seen preachers take advantage of having a forum at both weddings and funerals to preach a 30 to 45 minute hell fire and brimstone message and the only temptation they resisted was having an invitation at the end. It was inappropriate to say the least. I knew the families involved and they didn't request a sermon of salvation at the weddings or funerals. In a setting like a Camporee where a single non-denominational service is provided, the purpose of the service is not to convert the lost. It is to set aside a time for each person to worship together in their own way and to reflect on and be inspired to do their duty to God. Scoutings purpose is not to do religious intruction (except in a "closed" unit), but to encouage duty to God.

Really!? What do you do for light at night? I'd like to have the battery concession at Jambo.

Rooster, If a unit is a "closed" unit that only allows boys from the charter (church) to join, then a specific denomination service is obviously in order. I can't see an LDS unit having a Jewish, Catholic or Baptist service. However, Boleta said in his post that this happened at a Camporee. We have hundreds of scouts at our Camporee. There is no way, no how that they all come from the same religious background. A Camporee service needs to be fairly generic. My preference is to use Old Testament scriptures that complement a point of the oath or law. That at least covers Christians of all walks, the Jewish scouts and those who profess a belief in God but are unchurched. Here in Oklahoma, that covers the majority of scouts. But depending on how it is presented, it is more of a talk on a point of the oath or law backed up by a "Bible story" to illustrate the point and shouldn't be offensive to anyone.