RememberSchiff

Not all who wander are lost.

Some New England Councils have placed their camps in land trusts.

Mike's funny response to an idiotic New York Times 27 point guide on being a Modern Man http://mikerowe.com/2015/10/otw-mansman/ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/02/fashion/mens-style/27-ways-to-be-a-modern-man.html?_r=2 Here's some examples NYT: Before the modern man heads off to bed, he makes sure his spouse’s phone and his kids’ electronic devices are charging for the night. MR: A Man’s Man knows that self-reliance is born of experience. He encourages his kids to look after their own stuff, and suffer the consequences when they do not. The wife is another matter. NYT: The modern man has no use for a gun. He doesn’t own one, and he never will. MR: A Man’s Man owns at least one firearm. He knows how to use it, clean it, and store it properly. He understands it’s importance, and sees it for what it is - a tool that can protect him and his family.

One of the first things you should do is decide just what you mean by “Scout-led troop.†Huh? Sounds like more lip service, either your troop is scout-led or it is not (but hopefully getting there).

Our Klondike Derby was once this way and was annually, the most attended District Event, but then adults could not leave a good thing alone.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/30290940/boy-scouts-rescue-injured-hiker-in-new-hampshire Seven Boy Scouts from Weymouth’s Troop 9 found an injured hiker on New Hampshire’s Mt. Monadnock on Saturday. Linda had climbed to the summit with her girlfriends, but slipped and twisted her ankle while descending the mountain. Linda initially declined the boys’ offer to help, but, when she realized she couldn’t walk, she reconsidered. “They started pulling out their kits, and that’s when I realized they were Boy Scouts,†Linda said in a phone interview with Fox 25 on Sunday, as she recovered at her Framingham home. “They were just great. They just went down with me the entire time for four hours, and I could not be more thankful that they were there, because there was no way I could have done that by myself.†After Linda was taken to the hospital, her emergency room doctor told her she could have suffered a fracture, had it not been for her rescuers and their impressive work. “He couldn’t believe it,†Linda said. “He’s like, ‘Who did your splint?’ I’m like, ‘Boy Scouts. Troop number nine from Weymouth.’†Check above link for scouts' account of rescue and video. Good story to start week.

Well that's a problem - who do you pay for a reservation!!! Cape Cod & Islands Council, which does NOT own the camp but will gladly take your money. Many units and mine included are reluctant to pay money to this rogue council. https://www.scoutscapecod.org/camp/camp-richard.html OR The Camp Richard's Camper's Association on Nantucket, whose website appears offline www.camprichard.org/ OR Nantucket Civic League, the owners Note entertaining article on page 3 about court proceedings... http://www.nantucketcivicleague.org/assets/ncl-notes-summer-2015.pdf First, the Judge asked who paid the staff at the Camp. Flum-moxed, Cape Cod (Council) Inc.’s lawyer had no answer. The Nantucket District’s lawyer stood up and said there were few staff costs because Nantucket volunteers do staff work, but any payments were made by the Nantucket District through the Camp Richards Campers Association Next, the judge asked who paid for insurance for the Camp operation. Cape Cod Inc.’s lawyer said the Camp was covered by Cape Cod’s Inc.’s blanket policy. The lawyer for the Nantucket District again rose to correct him, and Cape Cod Inc.’s lawyer added sheepishly that the Nantucket District had bought and paid for its own insurance until it was told the Camp was covered by the blanket policy, whereupon the Nantucket District instead made a “donation†to Cape Cod Inc. in an amount equal to the previous insurance payment. So much for “covered†and “bought and paid for. Finally, the Judge inquired as to what exactly Cape Cod Inc. had done over the years to rein in the “out of control†“rogue†Nantucket District. Cape Cod Inc.’s lawyer answered that the policy was “to not confront†the Nantucket District. At this statement, the eyes of Judge Nickerson could be seen to roll very slightly toward the top of his head. The Nantucket District lawyer then pointed out that Cape Cod’s Inc.’s policy “to not confront†the Nantucket District was apparently so strong that no one from Cape Cod Inc. ever bothered to formally notify the Nantucket District that it had met its demise, been dissolved by Cape Cod Inc. and had long ago simply ceased to exist….

Our scouts decided NYLT was a waste of time 5+ years ago. When the annual signup notice arrives, there are no takers. The old course notebook comes out and scouts see little they don't already know. Even though the last attendees have aged out, their summations remained "Learned some games and songs. Stayed in campsite and mess hall the whole week. Why am I here? Clueless teaching the more clueless." SM supports their decision and has his own criticisms of the course. He tends to view NYLT and WB as a remedial course for troops with weak programs. Whether you are a scout or adult, a good start is read the Scout handbook and learn by doing with your buddies (fun). Fail, learn from it, read some more, ask for help, or watch youtube videos, and try again. Succeed and teach others (old JLT). Leadership skills develop naturally as you work as a group on common objectives - building a fire, cooking meals, planning a campout or hike. My $0.02

http://www.n-magazine.com/scouts-honor/ "...Other calls and pleas for help to well-connected, senior members of the Boy Scouts of America organization about Camp Richard went unheeded. But that’s probably because this type of thing is happening all over the country. As Nantucket’s Boy Scout leaders researched their predicament, they quickly learned that Camp Richard was just the latest example of the Boy Scouts of America selling off land previously donated to the organization for big bucks. A 2009 investigation by Hearst Newspapers found that regional Boy Scout councils all over the U.S. had “reaped tens of millions of dollars from selling decades-old campgrounds and other properties — including some previously given to them with the intention they be used for outdoor recreation…†Mike Reilly is the Cape Cod Council’s “Scout Executive†who receives $119,644 in annual compensation according to the group’s most recent non-profit tax filing with the IRS. Reilly himself answered the phone when I called the Council’s Yarmouthport headquarters last month. He politely referred all questions to Robert Chamberlain, an attorney and one of the Council’s directors. Chamberlain, whose law firm is representing the Council in the Camp Richard case, never returned the voicemail I left for him. But their side of the story has emerged in court filings and affidavits..." I wonder what the legal costs were for Cape Cod Council in this matter.

Beads or Balls. I choose Balls.

http://www.summitbsa.org/programs/scout-camp/ Council Adventure Partnership Price Varies by Local Council The Council Adventure Partnership serves as an older boy adventure program for a local council camp. Scouts begin and end their week at their council resident camp with their unit. However, rather than participating in that camp’s program during the week they are transported in a council contingent for Scout Camp program at The Summit. Interested groups should encourage their council Program Director, Camp Director, or Scout Executive to contact The Summit about taking advantage of this opportunity. More info can be found here [link to Council Adventure subpage] Note: This program does not include open access to high adventure venues (ie- The “Big†Zip, Barrels, Rocks, etc). Groups interested in Council Contingents for the Paul R. Christen National High Adventure Base should visit this page [link to PRCHAB Council Contingent info]. Huh?? Sorry this makes no sense to old Schiff. Well unless this is a step towards requiring units book through their local council (who take their cut) to attend Summit.

Hurray! Scouts and Nantucket 1, Cape Cod and Islands Council and developer 0 (Oct. 13, 2015) A Superior Court judge has ruled that deed restrictions intended to ensure Nantucket's Camp Richard remain a "campsite for the scouts of Nantucket" are valid, and the property must be transferred back to its original owner, the Nantucket Civic League, if it is used for any other purpose. The ruling, handed down last week by Judge Gary Nickerson, effectively ends a bid by the Cape Cod & Islands Council of the Boys Scouts of America to sell a portion of the 100-acre property off Lovers Lane to a private developer, Atlantic Development of Hingham, Mass., which has proposed a sizable 40B affordable-housing project on an adjacent property. According to the ruling, ownership of the property remains with the off-island council, not the on-island Camp Richard Campers Association, but under the terms of 1955, 1971 and 1972 deed restrictions, it can only be used as a camp for island scouts. http://www.ack.net/CampRichardruling101515.html

Hah. Imagine if full-time Council employees were required to camp a weekend every month.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/gloucester-county/dp-nws-mid-boy-scouts-camp-finances-20151008-story.html This quote does not sound encouraging, "Camps are just one way among many that we work toward our mission by providing character-building opportunities, a respect and appreciation for the outdoors, physical fitness and leadership development. From camping to jamborees, the adventures of Scouting develop young people's knowledge, skills and character so they understand the importance of service to others and good citizenship," Amanda Wroten, spokeswoman for the council, said.

Oct 5, 2015 http://www.ucc.org/news_historic_document_paves_way_for_renewed_relationship_between_boy_scouts_united_church_of_christ_10052015 "The United Church of Christ and the Boy Scouts of America re-established a formal relationship today (Oct. 5) with the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding regarding local UCC congregations chartering Scout troops. Signed by Michael B. Surbaugh, BSA chief scout executive, and the Rev. John C. Dorhauer, UCC general minister and president, the document affirms the recently-adopted BSA resolution that removed the restriction on gay adult leaders and employees, and formally states that UCC congregations chartering BSA units can conduct scouting programs according to their own values of inclusion and extravagant welcome for all." This link has full text of the Memorandum of Understanding signed today, Oct. 5, during the Boy Scouts of America’s board meeting in Irving, Texas. http://www.ucc.org/memorandum_of_understanding_between_the_boy_scouts_of_america_and_the_united_church_of_christ "Resolved, That the Boy Scouts of America will respect the spiritual and moral responsibility of the United Church of Christ’s chartering congregations with the understanding that there is no Boy Scout authority which supersedes the authority of the local pastor and the congregation in any phase of the program affecting the spiritual welfare of those who participate; and be it further Resolved, That it is agreed all member congregations of the United Church of Christ may rely on the stipulations in this Memorandum of Understanding in operating under any charter they sign with the Boy Scouts of America." I have not seen "local option" so firmly stated.

We try other council camps as well. Greater adventure and learning experience for scouts. Makes me wonder, when we are an "out of council" troop at a summer camp, we usually pay $20-50 more per scout than local troops. Does that money get kick-backed to our council to relieve their financial loss for one of their troops leaving their reservation or is it winner take all?

Our local summer camps charge around $370/scout. National scout camp is $399; transportation there would be more. Our local camps are focused on merit badges and Trail to Eagle programs. National scout camp appear focused on outdoor fun/merit badges and entertainment. http://www.summitbsa.org/programs/scout-camp/ Should councils nearby the Summit start selling their camps or step-up and compete against National? Robbing from Peter to pay Paul?

Ask to see those same forms which your local scout camp completed for their merit badge program.

Philmont has had floods before when communications were worse. - Camp above high water mark. Even 20ft above stream may be below the high water mark for that camp. - Quick exit from tent which may be moving, rolling, sinking, or burning. Glad that ranger was able to break a window to exit cabin.

Makes sense, back then a bear poked his head in our tent. The issue of quit exit from zipper tents has been raised before though fire was the concern. Two zipper doors and hi-viz zipper pulls were mentioned as soultions.Having a knife handy helps.

CBS news has picked up the story. The video has as aerial view of the camp area along with a meteorologist explaining weather conditions. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tents-trapped-boy-scouts-deadly-new-mexico-flooding-police-reports/ Maybe zipper tents will be banned next. We used zipper-less, floorless tents back in the 60's when we camped at Ponil.

Were they camped below the high water mark?

Great find. Thanks for research. I was curious and found that Christopher Johnson made knives at Western Works in Sheffield from 1859 to 1955.

Details of deadly flash flood raise questions of oversighthttp://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/details-of-deadly-flash-flood-raise-questions-of-oversight-at/article_ba4cd170-af60-5eb7-a7af-22f77c9a41b8.html A gripping and disturbing detailed follow-up story. Questions about camp site selection, lack of radios, trapped in tents. “...There was anecdotal evidence and reports from folks that it could’ve been as high as 20 feet,†Jones added. “It was a tremendous amount of water.†The state police investigation is now closed. In police interviews, investigators called the deadly flood a freak accident that couldn’t have been prevented. “It was an unfortunate incident that occurred, and unfortunately that group of Boy Scouts got caught up in it,†state police spokesman Sgt. Chad Pierce said in an interview. The police report states that a campsite farther upstream flooded regularly and “was closed for the safety of the scouts,†but it doesn’t indicate how far upstream or if a specific event prompted its closure. The Philmont Scout Ranch declined to answer any questions and referred inquiries to the Boy Scouts of America, which also declined to answer any questions, including whether any alerts were issued that night, what emergency procedures were in place, whether the organization had investigated the incident and what, if anything, could have been done to prevent Alden’s death. “The passing of Alden Brock earlier this summer was a tragic accident and our staff continues to mourn the loss of this exceptional young man,†the Philmont Scout Ranch said in a statement issued by the Boy Scouts of America. The organization also declined a request by The New Mexican to tour the site. “We’re not scheduling any on-site media availability at Philmont Scout Ranch at this time,†it said in an email. Alden’s father, Roger Brock, declined a request for an interview. “Not at this moment,†he said by telephone. In the last 10 years, at least 46 Boy Scouts, adult leaders or guests have died during Boy Scout outings, including four this year, according to a search of news accounts and public records. Joel C. Simon, a Houston lawyer who sued the Boy Scouts on behalf of the parents of a 10-year-old who was struck and killed by a golf cart during a recruiting event in Texas in 2012, said the family deserves to know what happened. ..." “I think the family … certainly is entitled to answers and whether those need to come from a lawsuit or elsewhere, I don’t know,†he said. “I feel horrible for the family.â€

Update September 26, 2015 https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/26/wilderness-refuge-nantucket-focus-dispute-between-rival-boy-scout-groups/PDQIHUccm0vl4GSJy97CBI/story.html "In the coming weeks, a judge on Cape Cod will decide whether to allow a lawsuit to proceed that would allow the Scouts organization on Cape Cod to sell nearly a third of the 100-acre tract known as Camp Richard. ... The council’s publicly available financial statements show the group has had significant expenses and losses in recent years, though it has a healthy endowment. The effort to sell the land comes as Boy Scout membership has plummeted in recent years, making it the latest example of local councils around the country selling tens of millions of dollars worth of property received as gifts. Officials from the Boy Scouts of America, which has lost nearly a third of its members since 2000, declined to comment on the potential sale on Nantucket or why so many councils have sold their land. ... MacKinnon, the land developer, who said he would pay at least $5 million (up from his earlier 3.5 million offer...yeah for affordable housing?) for the (30 acre) property , argues that the sale would benefit the Boy Scouts on Nantucket. He said that his plans would leave two-thirds of the land untouched and allow the campground to continue operating. He also pointed out that the Scouts use only a small portion of the land, where they have five campgrounds, a sprawling lodge, and bathing facilities. ... The Nantucket Civic League provided the property to Boy Scouts on the island in several installments starting in the 1950s. The deed required the land be used for Scout activities; if that changed, the group would be obliged to return it to the Civic League. In court documents, the Cape Cod council argued that it is the rightful owner because the organization’s bylaws prohibit a subsidiary district, such as Nantucket’s, from owning land. The Cape Cod group also argued that the deed restrictions have expired. Lawyers for the Nantucket Boy Scouts and the Civic League, which supports the district committee, argue that the deed restrictions haven’t expired because state law doesn’t impose time limits when land is used for charitable purposes. They also say the land was expressly given to the Scouts on Nantucket — not the Cape Cod council, which didn’t become their parent group until decades later. " Hope the judge does right for scouts and Nantucket.