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  1. My district at the no part is farther than 113 blocks north of the county line, which is also the boundary of our council. To top it off the south end of the district is in a school district that crosses the county line. We have one elementary school that is 300 yards or so in our district but the pack that meets there is registered in the other council. I believe years and Im talking 30 +, when the school was built, the parents came from a pack in the other council and formed their pack with the help of that council. We have a troop in our district that draws boys from a school in our distri
  2. An isteresting drawing of the fifth circle: http://danteworlds.lamc.utexas.edu/circle5.html
  3. BW, You skipped a part of the declaration of religious principles: Where a Scouting unit is connected with a distinctly religious organization, no members of other denominations or faiths shall be required, because of their membership in the unit, to take part in or observe a religious ceremony distinctly peculiar to that organization. Scouting being a religious organization, the definition of religious: adjective 1. relating to religion: relating to belief in religion, the teaching of religion, or following the practices of a religion 2. believing in a higher being: believing in, and
  4. I think the other way a Scoutmaster can set the example is by his behavior. Im not talking about if he is straight or gay but how he treats and almost more how he talks about people in sexual roles. If he makes sexist and lewd remarks about people, if he lets the Scouts make jokes about sexual matters or allows them to make comments about the attributes of females, he is doing them a disfavor.
  5. I can't seem to edit from work. Please disregard my perious post. I read to bottom of the first page and thought I was at the end of the post on the topic. My question was answeared.
  6. BW, I don't ever remember every reading anywhere a statement on removal of a scout in the BSA literature. I am wondering if you would give a citation for your last post. I know on the application the only signature beside the parent's that is needed is the unit leader for approval.
  7. The same thing can be said about the outing that DS said about the den meeting, just change a couple of words: ---Suppose you have a Troop that consistently can't come up with a second adult. That Troop would never camp under the two-deep leadership policy and would quickly die and leave the boys with no Scouting at all. ---- It doesnt make sense there as it doesnt make sense in a den meeting. Even our video "A Time to Tell" points out the danger of not have two deep leadership and the potential failure of one on one rule. The segment with the "club" and the guy who has a bunch of kid
  8. A good gift would be go to a unit meeting and serve a ice cream sundae to everyone there. Using those big tubs of ice cream it shouldn't cost you no more than $20 for even the biggest unit. It also honors the Scouters that showed up because they get the credit for the treat.
  9. Silver Shark, Hunk and NJCubScouter seems to have got what I was talking about. But you brought up your last post a statement that begs to be commented about. It is no longer just about consensual sex between adults when children are made aware of it. When is the best time to avow anything of a sexual nature to 11 to 18 year old boys, be it heterosexual, or homosexual, or a combination of them? If any boy, Scout or not has not heard of sex or has a good idea what is going on in those years and at least by 18 he has been like that kid in the movie where he was in the bomb shel
  10. Silver Shark, You have pointed out the great paradox in this whole debate. Whose religion is the norm the BSA is following? You proclaim your definition of Christianity as the basis for the rule on homosexuality. There are many Christians that would disagree with many of your statements of Christian belief. The Boy Scouts encompasses many other faiths here in the US and around the world that are not Christian. To define and defend a stand based on your religious beliefs ignores that diversity.
  11. A couple of weeks ago I was helping out at our Councils fund raising auction. One our Scouters invited Gary Locke our states (Washington) governor, Eagle Scout, and Camp Omache staff member to speak. Here is copy of his speech: Henry M. Jackson Heritage Auction November 8, 2003 926 words/MSW Good evening. I am honored to be here. Honored to be at this event whose namesake, Scoop Jackson, played such a significant role in the history of both Washingtons. And honored to have this opportunity to talk about scouting. As I stand here this evening, my mind is filled with
  12. Two deep leadership is required at all Troop activities. The example of a Patrol Leaders Council is that only the Scoutmaster is both correct and incorrect. While only the Scoutmaster should be part of the meeting and the other adult should be nearby and in be sight of the room and with in hearing to comply with two deep rule. Just as the Scoutmaster conference is the private in the sense of separation from the rest of the Troop, it needs to be in sight. In other words not be in closed room but off to one side in meeting hall or over at a picnic table away from the rest of the Scout not in a t
  13. 51, became a Cub Scout on the fifty aniviersity of the BSA and God willing will be hear for the one hundred.
  14. I agree mostly with Eagle69. The first three of his steps tend to be more fluid and merge and blend with each other. The somebody in 5 to bring it to Council Office should be the Scout (no rule but it is his project). Our council office coordinator for Eagle paperwork would tend only talk to the Scout not his parents (not their project). Being in full uniform made brownie points too. The most important part IS DON'T START THE PROJECT UNTIL IT IS APPROVED. It is also good when you talk with the organization about the project, you tell them it has to be approved and don't fully commit un
  15. Out here most troops use back packing tents both troop owned and individual owned. The troop I was Scoutmaster had a few troop owned ones. IT encourged the younger scouts to use them and not to go out and not go out and buy one until they were older. Most of the older Scouts and the active hiking parents ended up buying their own. Even when we car camped (dirty words in that troop), the Scouts used backbacking tents. Hey I gave my daughter and son-in-law for their wedding last spring a REI Half Dome Plus.
  16. Not wearing the hat does not make the Scout out of uniform. ""A neckerchief and cap or campaign hat are optional" Page 12 & 13 of the lastest Boy Scout Handbook in the section on the Scout Uniform.
  17. Bob, It not that we disagree with the Scouting program but the glosses you place on it. You elevate the strangest minutiae to holy writ and in many cases only your interpretations of training materials. Your never admit they are opinion and could be incorrect. All Zahnada asked our opinion on the quote Good leaders must first be good followers. You condemn the quote because some leaders use it as an excuse for poor execution of the Scouting program. Therefore a leader to be a follower in any meaning of the word has no place in Scouting. The idea that good citizenship (which is one of
  18. Bob, Again you are giving power to a word way beyond its real power. You have demonized the word follower just like in an earlier thread you did with my (as in my troop). You have assumed that by using the term we are rejecting a whole lot of Boy Scout training. We are not. If you remember from training they discuss all kinds of leadership styles, the Boss style is one of them. Each have their place in the Leaders bag of skills and have their use and time. If a Scout does not follow the direction of his leaders how can learn the Scouting program. I said earlier that some Scouters have p
  19. Bob, What kind of support will leader get if his followers see that the leaders is not supporting leaders of his. If a Patrol Leader does not set the example in following the leadership of the Senior Patrol Leader how can he expect his patrol members to follow his.
  20. I think you were asking if you could have two hanging from the button. You must make a choice only in the sense that more than one hanging from the button looks messy and the uniform guide mentions that we should avoid wearing to many patches to keep the uniform neat.
  21. Are you a follower of your senator, no, a senator is not a leader in a technical sense unless he holds leadership in the senate an then only to his fellow senators and then maybe only to members of his own party. He is a legislator, a representative of the people. Now a governor or president is a leader, he has executive responsibilities. He must take actions and give orders. A legislator may be able to get things done but he in end cant tell a government employee to do something. The patrol leader is first and foremost a leader. He is peer of fellow patrol members but they have elected h
  22. Bob White, That the first I had heard of that rule. I as said served 10 years as a scoutmaster while serving as a commissioner. I know that many of our commissioners serve as multiples. I called our council registrar and she had never heard that rule and scoutnet allows one to be both. So go figure.
  23. You can be registered as a commissioner and as a unit leader at the same time. You should not serve your own unit as their commissioner but that is up to the district commissioner to assign. I served as a Scoutmaster for 10 years while serving as a unit commissioner for a Cub Pack and also I served as an Asst. District Commissioner during that time. In our Council we have many Scouters serving unit positions and District Committee and Commissioner positions.
  24. Until the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution in 1868 the right in the Constitution only applied to action of the Federal Governments. That is why in some states there was a established religion until the 1820s. The amendment banning slavery (13th) would not have been enforceable on the states without it. As was pointed out that the Alabama and many other state constitutions have stronger wording concerning separation of Church and state. The writers of these constitution were concerned with establishing a strong separation of church and state. What I think is mo
  25. Water conservation is not a good idea on a hike. Dehydration is next to hypothermia as the most common and sneaky of dangers in the outdoors. In most areas water conservation is not needed. Bring a water filtration pump and have the scouts fill their bottle at every opportunity. FOG One of the symptoms of dehydration is not be able to take leak, if you have to go you are drinking enough water.
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