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By the way, if the OP is still around and we haven't scared you off, I would like to alter what I said about the IH being absolute, and COR as their spokesman being very close to absolute.. There are some exception, but it would have to be something that is a strict BSA policy that the CO has signed a contract agreeing to follow in order to obtain their charter.. Or something that you feel is mental abuse to certain scouts.. Ex. They want you to hand out the rank advancement as candy.. Now this would have to be a definite statement of "just give it to them", or "give them this merit bad

More then that.. We know the issue is with the CC, COR and CO on one side of the issue and that the Adult leaders (at least some of them) are on the other side of the issue. Therefore we know to tell them the CO owns the troop and the COR is selected by the CO to make sure the unit is proceeding in accordance with what they desire from their youth organization.. We also know his reason for not saying more is due to this being a public forum.. So, yes.. Probably fear that someone else from the unit, or if this battle has blown up wider then their little unit.. Someone in the district

Exactly, I would expect the doctor not to call the husband stupid, but rather to ask pointed questions in order to draw out more information from the man. Like I said, what was said did give a very detailed response. The CO is the boss.. Now if the OP had said. "My troop is having a problem, can you tell me what to do".. You would have an example similar to yours.. As stated you answered it correctly, you just could have not added the first paragraph. It added nothing to your post, but being cantankerous to a newbie poster.. Give them a chance to learn how to write more helpful post th

Well Basements' adivice is spot on, but I disagree with calling a newbie's first post "stupid".. If you want more info ask for it.. I thought what we had was sufficient enough to say.. "CO rules.. rest of troop drools...".. More info and we could maybe help him with suggestions for a compromise, that may be suggested.. Or, the positives of the CO's course the parents/leadership has not thought of.. Or, if it is important enough to leave the troop over, or if there is just some pride being hurt, and ways to get himself and other upset parents over it so the unit can move on, before it g

Our pack only has Tigers and Wolves. So Fall of 2015 is when we get our first Webs.. I don't know if I am hoping they iron it out by then or not. If they don't then we get to change our first group of Webs mid-stream. If it is totally ironed out and they totally separate what Webs I and Webs II do, it may throw a monkey wrench in some plans. I was hoping our Webs I could pick-up some Webs II who are new to scouting as both Webs I and newbie Webs II scouts would do the same thing, perhaps the Webs II had an additional Arrow of Light, but maybe not if we could move the Webs I through

Yeah, by "Charter Organization" you mean the head of your CO or your institutional head.. Then argument is over. You either have to follow what your IH wants, or find a new CO who agree with your viewpoint.. But.. If it is a break due to disagreement and hostility rather then amicable.. You need to know the CO owns all the troop equipment and the money in your bank account and even the Troop number.. If you leave, and it is a bad breakup expect to just leave with the uniforms that you paid for on your backs. The COR is close to bottom line, but if you think the IH of your CO may not agree

Commented on your above statement. I will restate it here. National has not forced mandating position specific training. But, many councils have, National has even recommended that Council do this. Our council has mandated it by this year's rechartering (Dec 2014).. We may have LARGE classes this year, and people upset we aren't offering training every weekend from now on.. So depends on where Kathy lives if it is mandated or not.

National has not forced mandating position specific training. But, many councils have, National has even recommended that Council do this. Our council has mandated it by this year's rechartering (Dec 2014).. We may have LARGE classes this year, and people upset we aren't offering training every weekend from now on.. So depends on where Kathy lives if it is mandated or not.

Very true, which is why the MBC was handled within the unit. But, the SM had to be handled outside or not at all. They had an "Friends of" for CO.. And that was in name only, no one really did the job. The SM was a charmer, those whose kids he showered in extra attention loved his methods and practically treated him as a saint. He had got his Silver Beaver by having parents during the scout meeting organizing all his work that he then presented. He was a big wig of the Council and put on an air that he was even more then that, had all the answers and was always right. The parents with scouts w

I will need to retake YPT, it’s been a year.. I have another year before I need to retake. I don’t think I have ever retaken it over a two year gap where it wasn’t totally redone and different. The last time I took it I thought I applauded the addition of some info an mental & physical abuse.. Not much, but definitely it was there, and I had been looking for it. That is because I have never hit the physical or sexual abuse, but on two separate occasions, I have had to deal with a person I thought created mental abuse for our scouts. One problem with it is that par

No, I am suggesting that they can act as normal couples do. I do not know the intimate details of what goes on in my heterosexual friends bedrooms (or on their kitchen table).. I do not need to know that from homosexual friends either. I have no problem with them introducing me to the same sex significant other, talking about their significant other in the same way I talk about my husband.. Like my partner & I are going to the museum this weekend. Or my partner & I went to this fabulous restaurant last week. I also have no problem with hand holding or a peck on the check.. If they

More likely they will not marry to try to "hide" or deny who they are.. Or if already marry cause some heartbreak by accepting who they are and leaving wife & children. It is sad for both them, but more so I feel for their spouses who they lied to, or maybe more accurately it would be they lied to themselves with them. That is sort of what I meant by aside from knowing them married with kids, I do not know the intimate details For all I know they get out the whips, chains and leather.. But unless it is a very open marriage, I doubt few spouses know their significant other are closeted

Hmmmm... I knew my sons SM and CM sexual preferences, and I am sure my son did too (If he stopped to think about it.) They were all married with their sons in the troop/Pack. Now anything further then that "No".. Like were they swingers? Did they cheat on their spouses? Bi-sexual? Any thing kinky? "No" other then married with kids, I knew nothing more.. Eventually I had met the wives.. In CS the wives were just as involved. In BS the wives only showed up for courts of Honors or other big events where all family members were encouraged to attend.

jpstodwftexas - should have known by your moniker you were from Texas but the whole thing just is a jumble of letters most times.. Anyway after reading that you floored me that his came out of the State of Texas.. Now, Texas being mainly Republican, that says a lot, because if they could tie pedophiles with homosexuals they would have ! Wow Eagledad.. JP got you good with that one.. Besides the fact as he stated, he was talking personal experience, and you totally rejected his personal experience, like you know better what JP's personal experience is more then he himself does. That wa

Probably.. If it hadn't wound down the homosexual fears and misconception route. Fred & I would have probably done 4 or 5 posts and it would have ended as a short thread.. The homosexual topic may cause it to get longer.. Although it has been rehashed multi times before.

If it is the CS version, then yes. It I felt the same way. The BS version wasn't so bad. It had something to do with older youths can get references and inuendos where as younger children will not. I am not recommending it for the CS.. I kindof agree.. I would rather they just put in on their on-line education so parents can view it and decide for themselves.. What I was recommending is that for the adult leader, viewing that would give you the piece the YPT training lacked.

Scouter99 - Sorry - not an absolute. I did not use ALWAYS.. It is a statement which refers to majority of the time.. Yes, sometimes they think they love them, but most times they are using kindness not because they love them, but with children it is another form of control. dcsimmons - All I saw was a statement to the fact there was no changes coming due to the same-sex attraction.. They may be making changes otherwise, just no changes for this.. Before this the conversation wasn't dealing with homosexuals.. So perhaps, it was not your intent, but yours was what started the conversation dow

Fred – You didn’t start the twist, dcsimmons took us down this curve. Most likely inevitable for about six more months until those frightened by this change settle down to the fact that little will change. About the Catholic vs BSA youth protection. I was always told that the Catholic Church took the BSA YPT as a model, I was disappointed when I saw the Catholic version.. It was a poor interpretation.. Again check out the videos.. One was titled “A Time to Tell†not sure if that was the BS or the CS one. Eagledad – “That doesn't mean the BSA is more o

Here is an interesting article about the change on Jan 1st.. It has common questions asked in the forum, but with responses from BSA official. Most likely similar questions were asked if you went to the public gripe sessions just before the vote, but I hadn't gone to it as I didn't hear about it until after it took place. http://news.msn.com/us/boy-scouts-open-ranks-to-gay-youth-on-jan-1-1

Hey pchado.. Nice to see you. Did you leave when the forums were not acting well, or simply due to other things you needed to attend to. If it was the forums they are much, much better. They just did an upgrade last week and we have a few small issues.. The main one, is that now when you comment to another post, the thread does not recognize and indicate to other that there was new activity on the thread so they can check it out if they are following the thread.. If you post a new reply rather then a comment, it will indicate the activity on the thread. The other thing is if you sav

Statement is true enough, and something they should stress when people stress it as the reason that homosexuals should not be adult leaders. I still have no issue with troops that need to work out some logistics to make all scouts feel comfortable. But I am fine with other peoples suggestion to let the kids work it out for themselves, as long as the kids are made to feel comfortable that they are welcome to speak up and their concerns will be listened to seriously, rather then just phoo-phooing the concerns away. Nothing to do with sexual abuse or victimization, just simply sexual attr

The BSA on-line training did a little, but didn't harp on it. If you annually play the video you should for the youth, it is very explicit.. The cub scouts I think more so then the Boy Scouts, I feared I sent them home with nightmares when I played it once. I wish they would put it online so that we can direct the parents to it, and they can decide if they want to show it or not. I did the Catholic one this year, just starting to work for a Catholic Church with the scouting program this year.. I thought it was bad, I mean ours will never win an academy, but I thought it set it up so that

Not quite. Lockheed is not putting on the merit badge program only for scouts and their parents who support BSA changing the program for total inclusiveness and telling those with different ideas to go pound sand. They are simply stepping out of volunteering for BSA.. Reason is not the issue your scout leader may step down because of job or family commitments or because he had a big disagreement with the committee chair or COR and their vision of where the unit should be headed.. Doesn't matter why the scout leader step down, the time he commiteed should be appreciated, and someone hopefu

I guess I am seeing the comments here that seem to indicate that Lockheed has the nerve to do this, and how insensitive it is.. I see people who did not appreciate the support but have changed to expecting the support.. Fact is it is Lockheed's time and money, and Lockheed "owes" BSA nothing.. They did it out of generosity, for public relations, and most probably for a tax break.. They will most likely find a new project to contribute to.. It may benefit children it may not. It is sad if they did a great program.. But, if you had an outstanding Scoutmaster or Cubmaster that put on a

Where they both employed by A&E???... Different networks, different attitudes.. If the conservative branch didn't vocalize distaste for it, I would be surprised.. I can tell you that MSNBC recently lost Martin Bashir over his comments. although he apologized for them. And what the conservatives said he said was not what he did say.. It is just that you can mentally make the leap of what he inferred.. Martin Bashir they stated voluntarily stepped down.. We will never know though, sometimes voluntary resignation is forced upon you, but it is an easier cleaner transition.. Also MSNBC termin