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  1. We in Scouting are all glad that this boy has been found. In my days of scouting we did not tie our boys with a buddy system. Only at the waterfront and when the boys took solo hike, and they had to have a strong walkie talkie with them so they could communicate with home base.I have a few questions to pose for you. a...was the boy 10 1/2 or younger (some parents forged their son's age so the boy could go to a camp free ) Was he mature to undertake staying at a rugged camp ? Why was he allowed to use the climbing tower at age 10 1/2. I remember they had to be 14, Have rules changed ?
  2. This is a DISCLAIMER. ( p0st # 41 ) I never wrote that article..."Leave religious fanatics out of Scouting " I am very upset over this ! (@#%$^&+ ) Could some one have used my secret ID, to write this ? Here are some of my reasoss why it is not mine : 1...It has Good grammer and spelling.( I can't write nor spell correctly ) 2...I never claimed to be a former Eagle Scout, nor A Scout executive. ( I did mention in some other format that I worked proffesionaly ) 3...I am a religious person, but I would never write this . 4...I sign all my statements with ( juris,www ) and thi
  3. Scouter 9933,(HG-Chicago ) I am sorry to hear that you are losing boys. That sort of proves that there is some sort of problem in your unit ?. Instead of asking the SM to resign, maybe you should consider leaving the committee ? This is one way, that the present SM ,can choose people for his committee ,who would be amiable to his concepts and ideas of making his troop grow.? It seems to me that all the training of the "Aims & methods" will not work unless you have the subtantial numbers of boys in the unit. I am sorry ,I am not 95 years in Scouting, but only 38. Otherwise you can cal
  4. Semper paratus Scouter, I heard this claim " You don't need to be in Scouting....."I've heard this at numerous Training courses, and at Proffesional Executive Seminars. That you don't need to be in Scouting, or know anything of Scouting. to be a successful ...We can teach and train you in becoming a Scoutmaster. Of course, charecter and enjoyment of the youth is an important factor. This is a recruitment ploy to get the hesitant volunteers to sign up.,to become Scoumaster's.This is one of the reason's ,why many boys quit Scouting., because they are told your SM does not have to know, it's the
  5. I agree with most of your assesment, :PRARIE SCOUTER:!....Back ground in Scouting, working with youth, is a big plus being a good Scout leader. You are the exception,....charector is a given,.Congratulations!. You are just like I used to be . You had the proper training.,Therefore I assume you are now running an outstanding unit. Practically speaking, I found that the majority of commitees, do not know to much of the operation of the unit.nor Scouting. And, they should not act as supervisor's in you running the boy program. The accountability role is dedicated to your unit commisioner ,whe
  6. Scouter ;SP540BEAVER', I had to chuckle when you reffered to me as a 'FAT OLD GUY ', beleive me I never have been, nor am I now fat..How can one be in Scouting and be fat ? that's if your are not active, and sit around watching TV, To the last days as SM, I still hiked and camped with younger scouts. But the high adventure activities were carried out by my youthful ASM's. Have you been at camporees and seen how many of our scouters are fat, and out of shape,( Not taught in training courses. (ha,ha)Well that's Scouting, this is the way a song goes " we have fat one's, skiny one's, we're going o
  7. BBNG SCOUTeR is correct when he quated Lynda's father. I never lectured any of other leaders how they should run their units. I was the quite type, only some new and old SM's could never figure out why I had a successful program. And I would say to them "you have to know scouting...take training course and find out," But they could never duplicate my success , becouse they don't teach that at those courses.Since I retired, I don't mind shaking my feathers a bit. Juris,www
  8. To my scouter friend, Ed Mori. Troop # 1.I used to know a unit # 1....They had the best troop. I think they were the first in the Council, maybe the nation, They had a diesel bus, ( against bsa policy), fund raising where the entire town participated.( ex cluded the council, which is against the by laws of BSA ), had a membership of 80+, Had their own Scout building (against BSA )this is where the cub scouts and boy scouts met, and this where they kept their equipment.Their had an alumni association of former Scouts, and parent auxialry . The leaders that I spoke said, the reason they hav
  9. I appreciate "Prairy Scouter's" support of most of my views, "Bob White" I apalogize using your name on this forum without your permission.PS, I am glad that you have an open mind. I just want to bring a situation I heard on one of our roundable's....This Scoutmaster ran fairly good troop in my opinion, but had an antigonistic commitee who were determined to get rid of him. He fought, and got the commisioner involved. Well, they succeeded. The new SM, knew nothing of running a unit, nor had the spirit of Scouing ,but promised to take training course, Within a few month the parents with drew th
  10. Well, thanks . You realy know how to crucify an old timer who is not in step with your oppinions. I speak from experience. I know it is contreversial ...but that is how I see it from many years of being a SM of one of the largest units in the Council, and maybe the nation. Read my provile, and my post to "Dan K " The wood badge I took in London did not asign numbers, but names. So . don't try to discredit me. Maybe I am a bit sinile, please forgive me.But, if you don't agree with me that BSA, Inc. is there to make money. Find out for yourself. The legend of the old time scouters are dying.
  11. My dear Souters: some of you missed my point ? " Cub Scouting is not good in furthering our Scout Movement ." I showed you just one of example, there are more, Maybe some one else will point that out.BSA, Inc, runs many youth programs, such as Scout Troops,venture units,explorers. OA chapters, and etc. But they are not the original concept of what Baden Powell created. Souting was boys from 12 to 17 years of age. Then BSA,Inc. decided to expand it's program not for the sake of the youth welfare,but so they can make more money.At roundable and campouts we joke some times ,that soon they will
  12. Don't get shocked when I point out to you that in some instancies, Cub Scouting was not good in furthering our Scout movement. Example: On one my of recruitment projects I was allowed, with the school principle's permission, to go to each class to recruit new boys into Scouting. I asked "how many boys are in Scouting ? Ten boys raised their hands. They could not have been eleven. That puzzled me.? So Asked them what Troop they belonged.?They said " we're in Boy Scout pack 24, "oh well"I said "that is great, then you will be joining Boy Scouts ? "Oh no, we did camping, canoeng, knot tying,
  13. Scouter wants to know what secrets.we have in Scouting, well many There are secrets in the Disdrict/ local councils,regions, and on national levels. We only find out about them is in the news print, if you are lucky enough. There are two division of Scouting. The volunteers and the proffesionals. Most of the volunteers Scouters know more abaut Scouting movement then the paid proffesionals. There is a continues rift between these two elements of the organization.The proffesionals use their laws and by laws which they wrote without the consent of Scouters, but the Scouters live and use th
  14. I certainly would not choose you as a direct leader with boys in my Troop. It's not the council/national that has the say but the commitee with the consent of the SM. There are Leaders who are serial killers, petifiles, and child abusers who got into scouting with out detection.Scouting program needs thes safe guards to protect our children. As mentioned there are other jobs, on psid proffesional level that you might get in .But as a vulenteer leader is out of the question. Juris, www
  15. GNY Scouter, It sounds like you were in my Troop ? Did you participate in our trip to a Canadian Boy Scout camp, or a trip to Camp Delatour, Colorado or our scout exchange program to Europe, or International Jamboree in Canada ? Well, if you did, then you understand what makes up a successful unit. Don,t misunderstand me, I had problems with my unit. Once, we told the Patrol leaders to plan a menu, and shop for food . Well, everything went wrong...the PL's thought the Troop was going to cook the meals. So no one bought any food. On the day of departure at our Troop bus ( against BSA,Inc
  16. Fellow Scouter's--Dan k,cny scouter,JD, ed Mori,Prairy Scouter,deavah, Bob White and etc. I hate to say I agree with most of you. I am also glad to know many Scouters see my point of view. Check the 9 points, I outlined to "Dan K "(What made my Troop a success. I have a very good backgrounf in Scouter training programs, such WB at Gillwell Park,(UK),Staff training,Provisional SM training, Scout exchange programs, international scout camp staff training at Kandersteg, Switzerland, and etc.You see BSA,Inc.claims they can train any one to become a leader of boys ? WRONG ! He atleast should have
  17. To Scouter Dan K.I agree many of the things your are saying in Theory. It seems to me you are against the leaders that deviate from the so called " Scouting grogram " You don't want them to think for themselves, and only be spoon fed the BSA,Inc Theories. Being that you have been in Scouting for awhile, you noticed that there are only 20% of the old timers, just about every one is under five years. At the roundables and training courses [we] don't let deviative Scouters speak their opinions.,Most of the time [these scouters are] ignored ,rediculed, or told to take a training course.Then explai
  18. ASM Troop 59. I see you are trying to work very closely with the frame work of your scout training. You see it does not work most of the time. It's like beating up a dead horse, it won't get up and run. First of all you should find more boys to join, with a larger troop, you will gain more of that camping and Scouting spirit. Your Patrol Council are green horns, and they don't know what they are doing, and the adults themselves are probably in the same boat, sorry to say that . It's not how to make flags, ( this could be done in camp )You have to motivate the kids and the parents of the val
  19. Gny-syracuse Scouter:What is a Patrol?, it's gang of kids. Some are bad gangs and some are good gangs,led by an 'Alpha " leader. They don't get elected ,,but every one in the gang agree's him to lead this group.( similar to a scout patrol.) A gang learns by having similar activities like vandelizing or playing sports.In BSA,Inc concept is that we can create and train these 10 1/2 year boys into smooth running Patrols, overnight by having them elect their popular peer. I found out ,by trial and error, that most likely, his concept does not work....., and with all the guidence available.Once
  20. In response to " Eamonn " comments ! I lost your reasoning. Is Scouting not a game for the boys,and a serious job for the adults ? Has not this boy met all the requirements, and the Scoutmaster signed him off ? Is it not the job of the adult leader's in he unit to mold him in becoming a good citizen ?Or, Is this a priesthood sociaty, where commiting a sin places you in arms way of going to ' heck' No it's "Scouting",a method of teaching worthwhile values of life , to our youth. If this scout got this far, therefor give him his earned award. And ,the so caled Distric Advancement commitee ,
  21. Kristi.....That was one of my biggest concerns in runing my Troop, that every boy should come home happy,safe and full of exciting stories to tell.Safety is not the priotiy in Adult Leadership trainings that I have taken, they glance over it as comen sence . Instead they lecture us in sexual abuse. Example : Scoutmaster was encouraged to take his boys on a Winter Camporee....,with poorly equipt (most of them were poor boys ) All the big shot's in Scouting attended,. The weather became unbearably cold. All the so called experts in winter survival went home, had cabins or stayed in their RV,s
  22. Well, well you can not pleae every one. I only have experience with old explorer program. My Asst. Scoutmaster became an Exp.Advisor, becouse we did not know what to do with high ranking and leaership over qualified scouts who were reaching close to the age of eighteen. They did not want to leave this great unit and their friends. So we created this Post, with the theme " To be service to the troop " They had their own activities, and they kept non scout type new comers out of the post. ( council disagreed )The president of the Post told me, that they did not want to be baby sitters for these
  23. Dear GNYC Scouter, NY is big and hecktic city. And I am glad that you are researching methodology of running a successful unit. I suggest you take regular basic courses, and then graduate to take woodbadge, then get " on hands experience ' with boys. This way you will experience 'what works, and what does not'. Just complaining on the forum, will only confuse you.,and many others.There are many , good intentioned Scouters and proffesionals, that point blank " don't know what they are talking about " That is one thing to theorise scouting, and an other to put it into active reality. I would s
  24. My dear " good kid's mom " I feel for you and I sypethesize for your dilema. You have to know that SM's are not trained psychiatrist's nor social workers. They are just volunteers that are trying to run a scout program to 'normal' kids. With the latest rules set up by the BSA,Inc. he has very little control over scouts , but only at his SM's conference. He gently implied that your son did not achieve the required goals. I would suggest that you legally transfer your boy to a "Special Troop ". There under the BSA policies they have trained and capable people to pass him on his scout achievent
  25. To 'it's me,oak tree, kuda, and Eagle Mom.::: All of you are right, Souting is the best program in the world, if it was not, we would not be in it as volunteers. In my troop, after 30 years, I had boys that became doctors, ambasodor in Moscow. USSR. police men,Scoutmasters, Scout executive ,etc., and unfortunately two ended up in prison ( Something went wrong there ?)(ha,ha,) Scouting is not perfect, but for the most of it, we did manage to mold the majority into good citizens.Juris. www.
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