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BrentAllen, Thanks for the insight. mmhardy, The prominent democrats who called Saddam a threat said so DURING THE CLINTON YEARS. Let's not forget that Bill Clinton could have had Bin Laden, but passed. Also, Iraq had WMD, we found them, lots of them. I would bet that many are still buried in the desert.

Along with patches is the uniform police favorite of adult boy scout leaders wearing patrol emblems. Exception is woodbadge. I admit the rocking chair is nice, but not authorized. maybe an old goat emblem would be nice too.

I'll try to tone it down.

Brian, BSA has made many changes over the years. however, change happens slowly. Part of what makes Boy Scouts fun today is that some of it is different. We even have our own jargon. We don't use an outhouse, we use the latrine or KYBO. We use the Patrol Method not small buzz groups. Personally, I wish we had the green shirt and green pants. The older uniform in the 70's had smaller collars, fit well, didn't become untucked when lifting the arms and the current epaulettes are silly. I prefer patches (patrol and office) with collored backgrouds), but hey, that's just me. I

Merlyn, It's too bad that you and your mom were in cub scouts under false pretenses. She knew what the rules were at the time and apparently chose to not abide by them. I disagree with absolutely everything you have posted here. The USA is safer today because of Bush Administration policies, we haven't been attacked, and we have prevented other attacks from happening. It's a shame you like Saddam so much and his terrorist buddies, I suggest you join Saddam. Remember, Saddam supported terrorists. Iraq was a state sponsor of terror. So, the President is in a classroom, one p

Thanks OGE, now it's makes some sense. Merlyn, Here are some more questions for you: What is your role in scouting? Are you registered with BSA or are you a parent? Are you an atheist? If you critizise BSA so much, why are you here? Do you not think we are safer today because of the Bush Doctrine and the war on terror?

Merlyn, You said: Gonzo1, since I don't have a Boy Scout handbook and wouldn't be interested in getting one, I have no idea what it would say on page 10. And since you've aligned yourself with the anti-democratic, jingoistic nonsense that "you're either with us or with the terrorists", I don't consider you capable of intelligent debate. Why don't you have a Boy Scout handbook? You are involved in scouting, aren't you? Unless you're involved only with Tiger Cubs or Girl Scouts you should have a grasp of what Boy Scouts is, Tigers will get more info as they move along. You

It seems that since many troops have problems with equipment that goes missing, the patrol QM may be more valuable than many poster realize, it is a responsible position and saves the troop money if gear is turned in, dried, taken care of properly. Gonzo

Merlyn, Why haven't you replied? What have you found on page 10, specifically, what does the Eagle and Shield represent? Maybe one of our colleagues can help you. It's OK Merlyn, don't be shy.

BrenAllen makes several good and accurate points. Another thing about dems,repubs and the media. o Democrats had power for 40 years and abused it. o Reuplicans have had power about 10 years and still don't know what to do with it. o The media seeks out democrats for their interviews instead of the republicans. The republicans have all of the committe chairmanships. The democrats are in the minority and can't DO anything, except maybe whine, complain and filibuster, even when it isn't allowed (it's in the constitution when filibustering is allowed.)

K-60, By listing all of the uniforms, I think you missed webelos BLUE uniform, specific hat, neckerchief, slide. You listed tan, green which is also correct. G

OGE, It's too bad that neither party can fix social security or medicare. Sadly, neither party will. If ss and medicare get fixed, then the other party won't have the issue to argue about and use in campaigns. But look how quickly some issues get legislation, immigration, detainees, Katrina relief, Tsunami relief, etc. Gonzo

When I went to woodbadge, we didn't play a game show, but that was in 1994. I like the game show idea for a presentation. How about Boy Scout Jeopardy Alex, I'd like Uniform Standards for $200 please.

DanKroh, You're missing the point. The teacher or any school has no business teaching homosexuality in the grade school classroom. Highschool - maybe, college, OK, but NOT GRADE SCHOOL.

Merlyn, Ah, disagreeing with the president is now treason, eh? That's the refrain of dictators and tyrants. I'm not saying you're committing treason, I'm asking if you are siding with the terrorist? There's nothing false, Iraq supported terrorists, so did the taliban. That doesn't show that Iraq had any involvement with the 9/11 attacks. Iraq had involvement because Iraq allowed terrorists to train there and Iraq was at the time a state sponsor of terror. Iraq paid death gratuities to family members. Iraq had been called a threat by the likes of Bill Clinton, Kennedy, K

Merlyn, You said: Gonzo1, none of what you've said addresses the Bush administration's deliberately creating the false impression that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attacks. Have you heard of the Bush Doctrine? Your're either with us, or you're with the terrorists. Which are you? There's nothing false, Iraq supported terrorists, so did the taliban. Saddam paid a death gratuity to surviving family members of meany of the terrorists. That sound like support to me. Another point, I wonder how many classified briefings you've participated in with the military, I've pa

As a veteran also, I sometimes cringe at boy led and adult led flag ceremonies. I've never seen patrol flags dip to the Nation Ensign, but that doesn't mean it can't. As long as everyone is the same, I think you'll be OK. Maybe a 90 degree salute is impractical, but I'm sure you've seen some military flag ceremonies where the other flags are dipped about 15 degrees. That would be much eaier for youth. One thing you might consider is drafting a regulation, and then pass it up the "chain of command" for a ticket item, but that's just a suggestion.

Uh, wait a minute! Merlyn, you said: Let's see, the Republican administration deliberately misleading the American public on Iraq's involvement in the 9/11 attacks would be a start. Let's see, well before we were attacked, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, John Edwards, Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, Hilary Clinton and a bunch of other Democrats said that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the security of the United States. They all said Saddam harbored and supported terrorism and had weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and that he used gas and nerve agents ON HIS OWN PEOPLE! In case

Now it seems we're getting into the weeds about court rulings and not about the parents and the teachers. Just because a court makes a ruling, doesn't necessarily mean it's correct. In the past, courts have upheld discrimination, is that correct? They have upheld abortion, is that correct? They have even upheld (or refused to hear) cases involving the BSA, is that correct? I'll bet that for every cases any of us finds with one opinion, we could find another with a diferring opinion., could't we? I believe a Supreme Court Justice some time ago was a Klan member, so IS or WAS Senator B

Another clarification: (Packsaddle's comments and mine crossed.) I really am a nice guy and I do not ever intend to offend or insult anyone. I do not intend to go toe-to-toe with anyone on these posts, it kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? I think some studies can be (and are) skewed, that's all. If I have offended anyone, please accept my apology. G

Ladies and Gentlemen, Allow me to clarify. Teacher read book about gay parents to the class, parents are outraged. They should be, it shouldn't be part of the curriculum, especially in grade school. Teacher tells the class he's gay. Parents are upset, they should be, the teacher's 'orientation' has NOTHING to do with teaching the students. Teachers should stick to teaching their assigned subjects. School boards should keep the contraversial BS out of the class. Parents should be involved in the classroom. It's not a slippery slope, just teach and go home. I

How about Jump the Shot? 20' of rope with a weight on the end like a couple of rolled up towels or something. Scouts circle up and a scouts swings the weighted rope around so that the 'shot' flies just above the floor. As the shot approaches, scouts jump to avoid the shot. The scout who get tangled up get to swing the rope.

DanKroh, I looked up Loving vs Virginia, seems your judge in 1967 was a bigot and ruled that God did ot intend for racial mixing. In the ruling, the issuing official had to be certain that applicants were of the same race. Says nothing about licnsure. Here's a link to the ruling: http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/loving.html While pursuit of happiness may include marriage, you still need permission via a license. You and I both have the "right" to practice, but we need 'permission' via a license. If we commit malpractice, we really lose the priviledge -

You can also save the floor by putting the ground cloth under the tent (too obvious) and also one inside the tent. G

Then, when you think you're finally finished, rehearse your presentation. Then rehearse it again about 5-10 times so that you own the material. Present it to your spouse, a couple of patrol members, your coach counsellor (that's what we called them) and THEN, make your presentations public. Rehearsing allows you to refine the presentation, field questions and be ready with answers. Good luck. G