Gold Winger

Mine are the only pair of Scout pants that I've ever owned. I bought them because they are the first pair that fit me properly. Go figure.

Not allowing me to take my MP5 to Philmont. It would have been good for bears. Seriously, I don't know if any of the rules really interfere with running a good program. That's like saying that you can't cook a good meal if you only have Safeway for groceries and not Whole Foods. There are many rules that don't always make sense but I think that we just need to work around them.

Nah . . .it would be like shooing ducks in a barrel.

Deer totalled my car as well. I'm not too fond of them either.

When I was in college, GALA (Gay and Lesbian Alliance) had a "Wear Blue Jeans to Show Your Gay Pride Day") It backfired. Everyone wore jeans and a few people got pounded when they hit on the wrong person.

Leave it to B** W**** to turn a lighthearted discussion about deer and liability into a treatise on responsibility. Here's a buck, go buy a sense of humor.

I don't know why anyone thinks that Margaret was treated badly. She asked a question, it was answered in two ways, by the book and then with a suggestion that her son should be asking the question. For some reasons, after he question was answered, she huffily said, "I guess I can't get an answer to a simple question." After that, the discussion really spun off into never land. I have a feeling that she just didn't like the answer that she got. People do that all the time. They ask a question but don't like the answer so they blame the answerer. She probably wanted to hear that it was okay to wear both patches because she had told her son that she was sure that it was okay. Now she has to go back and tell little Jimmy that she was wrong. I see that same reaction all of the time in the real world. "I bought this TV three years ago and now it doesn't work. Can I return it?" Sorry, our return policy is 30 days. "Do you know how much money I spend here?" "My son's only 12 can he play in the 13 year old league." No. "But he's really good!" No. "I know your commissioner! Do you know who I am." People just get upset when they don't get the "right" answer.

Sounds almost like my son's pack. It was dying but had well over $5,000 in the treasury. The committee decided that the boys who had raised over 90% of the funds were crossing over and they pack would be down to one small den that only had one more year. B&G was great. EVERYONE got free summer camp. Crossover fees were paid. There was still ove $2,000 left for the last den to play with before the pack vanished into the mist.

"Yep, when I buy a belt, I pick the ones with buckles." I guess that means you don't a leather Scout belt either from the Scout shop, Philmont or other camp.

"It's all relative, and it's not the requirement, but what is learned that is most important." That explains your attitude toward buckles.

"How does one affix a web belt buckle on a leather belt?" If you look in your Scout Stuff catalog, there are official BSA buckles for leather belts. "If a high adventure belt is BSA approved so is the buckle, it is part of the high adventure belt." Not so. My Philmont belt came with no buckle, just like my Goshen belt and my leather BSA belt. If you go to the Philmont trading post, they have a host of Philmont buckles PLUS the OFFICIAL BSA buckles. If BSA wanted to include Philmont buckles they would have said, "Leather belts with buckles from camps, OA, Wood Badge, etc." You may argue the "logic" of a Philmont or Goshen buckle being an Official BSA buckle all you want but please remember that we are dealing with BSA and that logic and reason often do no apply.

" Council tried to stop the seizure but lost in the early rounds in court for the reasons I already mentioned. The judge pretty much said National can not deny liability but assume ownership." I'm not a lawyer and I've never slept in a Holiday Inn Express but that doesn't make sense. National and Council are two different beasts. Council is a seperate organization chartered by National, just like a troop.

First it is illegal buckles and now it is rules that fly in the face of BSA policies. Sheesh! Denying a scout credit for work because he chose not to get his uniform filthy and covered with concrete.

" Just the way I might be slightly insulted if that same 12 year old called me "Gramps"." Heck, I'm not insulted when the youngsters call me "Geezer."

"Same thing. When you read the words, you have to decide what they mean. " Not really but then again that's your interpretation.

Oh, that cement is just, it's there for the weight, dear Five'll get ya ten old Mackys back in town.

"A Philmont belt/buckle falls under 'high adventure base'." The belt is okay but not the buckle, at least in my reading of the insignia guide. Neither a Philmont buckle nor a Goshen buckle is an "official BSA buckle." " A WOSM belt/buckle is a different matter." Doesn't say that anywhere in the insignia guide. Of course, your interpretation may differ. Of course, since many chose to wear patches in the wrong place or decorate their uniform with parent pins, flag pins and an assortment of other junk, the Gunpo have far more serious offenses to worry about.

"Show me chapter & verse where it says it can't." "Clause 8 All adges and insignia of the BSA shall be used eclusively by memberso fhe BSA . . ." "Clause 9. All badges and insignia shll remain the property of the BSA .. . ." Doesn't matter if you signed an agreement or not, BSA owns the marks and can set their own rules.(This message has been edited by Gold Winger)

ROFLMAO!!!

"I believe that the person signing off on the requirement gets to interpret what it means." Are we supposed to interpret the requirements or simply go by what the words say?

"Good luck finding anyone knowledgeable in fitness to tell you that excercising once a month would give you a noticable result in 30 days." Why do we have to find anyone? He's met the requirements by exercising regularly. And who defines "noticiable result." If he can do one more sit-up, that's improvement. If he can do 1/2 of one sit-up more, that's still improvement.

"The suggestion that excercising once a month is a responsible way to meet the requirements is silly in concept, and inane if endorsed by the adult leadership." Bob, aren't you one who always says that we must go by the requirements as written and neither add nor subract from them? By your own definition, exercising reqularly has nothing to do with frequency but only with the fact that it is done on a regular basis. Hence, if we decide that once a month is not "regular," we are addng to the requirements. At least by your definition. Or have you changed your mind?

Probably his parents just gave him the "you're not a kid lecture." I work with a 70 year old who calls me a kid. I call the 20 year olds kids. It's all relative.

My fitness level really isn't the issue. By your standards, if a boy exercises once a month, it is considered regular exercise and meets the requirements.

"As it's a World Scouting belt, how is it 'not regulation'? Its meant to be worn by any scout around the world. Its not like we're wearing a belt from another scout association." It isn't a BSA belt. Look in the insignia guide. "Leather camp, high-adventure base or Wood Badge belts with official BSA buckles may be worn. . . " Reading that, the old two piece buckle with leather belt may not be allowed . . . Heck, my Philmont buckle and my Goshen buckle are probably taboo as well. I have belts and buckles or hat badges from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Thailand, France, Germany, Canada, Great Britain, South Africa, Brazil, Greece, Poland, Russia and more that I can't think of. I wear them all at different times even though they aren't regulation. I'm not worried about the Geheime Uniform Polizei (Gunpo) coming after me.(This message has been edited by Gold Winger)