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>>A Scoutmaster could use B-P's principles to make this process boy-run while still working within the existing BSA structure:

>>From my experience the 12 and 13 year old PLs and SPLs don't have it. The difference in maturity between a 13 year old and a 16 year old is quite big.

>>A CO may have an issue with non-member youth having keys to their buildings/rooms. Plus possible liability issues.

>>What happened next was that all the scouts were given a blank paper by the scout master and told to make a two column 4 row chart to create a set-up amd clean-up duty roster. All while this is occuring boys and parents kept entering and leaving the small room. After 20 minutes it was over. No votes, no reports, no opening, no closing.

>>She also went as far as to write to the SPL to complain about issues within the troop. COMPLETELY unacceptable and she was told not to do that again, "I was just trying to get some answers"..by harassing the youth?

Hi all Great discussion. I would be surprised if any troop could brag that they dont do some item on the list. At training I defined boy run as a program where the adults give the scouts the freedom to initiate actions in their troop. I dont have a problem with any item on the list if the adults are trying to hand those items on the list to the scouts as they learn the program. Through my own personal humility, I am guilty of many items on the list. Lets face it, scouting is hard and very few adults are perfect scouters right at the beginning. If the choice is either the adults plan

My I suggest that every adult interested in the program first go to Scoutmaster Specific training so they can come of one mind of what the program is all about. I've always felt that the SM works for the committee, and the committees job is to hire the person who agrees with the program they want for their sons, and enforce that philosophy or program hodling the SM accountable toward working that goal. Now, the BSA pretty much sets the Vision and how to build a program to reach that vision. But most Troop committees dont have a clue about the BSAs Vision or Mission and even worse t

Hi All I'm not trying to highjack thissubject, only enhance it. But here is another turkey recipe our troop has used a 100 times. It is from Jim in Kansas and in his own words. Man can he cook. Okay folks, here's the instructions for THE most spectacular and amazing way to roast a turkey. No, not even grandma's time-tested recipe will beat this! The turkey is golden brown all the way around and incredibly juicy! All of my scouting friends now roast their family Thanksgiving turkey in this fashion. Here goes: EQUIPMENT NEEDED: 4ea 4ft steel rebar stakes 4ea 10in X 3ft

>>I saw a 30lb. Turkey cooked in one of these under 2 hours.

>>and, Barry, it's so hard to slip that cultural leash, isn't it? Especially when mommy usually IS the problem.

>>A firearm is a weapon regardless of the use to which it is currently being put, just like a Steak knife, Pocket knife, Camp Axe, Ice pick, CD case or even a pencil...

Hi Pete Basically you lay some foil on the ground. drive a stake in the ground and set the turky one the stake. Cover with a trash can and put hot coals on top and around the can. Works really well. Do a Google search and you will find some pictures. Barry

>>er, ah, Barry, nothing quite like the gender stereotyping there in your last paragraph, hmm?

>>would vote for Firearm safety. More PC correct.

>>Right now this is just an idea, nothing more, but if we are going to pursue it over the next couple of years, I want to see it done right.

>>Her behavior? You know how & why she had a child? You seem to be judging without all the facts. Maybe she was artificially inseminated. Maybe she was raped. Do you know? No.

>>Jesus loved people regardless of their situation.

This was one of my jobs back when I was both a SM and the District membership Chair. There are a couple things that should be mentioned. At least in our area, 90% of those Webelos who didn't crossover didn't have a good Cub experience while they were Webelos. My research and observations found that most of these scouts didn't have a good adult leader. There are a host of reasons, but it all comes to the same conclusion, it wasn't fun, so why move on? It has got to appear FUN first if you are to bring them for a look-see. I'm not one to plan an activity specifically for recruiting because

righteous? I believe that comes under name calling. We all have our bad days, but one of the ways I worked with the PLC was teaching them to not react instantly to their emotions. Name calling is a sure sign of inmaturity or uncontrolled emotions, or both. Instead they should create some kind of time out until they can instead respond in a mature manner where they talk about the behavior and not attack the person or take words out of context. That does require some degree of patience, maturity, grit and courage, but it draws respect instead of anger or disdain. It also requires practice.

>>The reason I find the second scenario "morally correct" is that the potential bad example I see here is irresponsibility.

>>Barry, sure, there are times when judging is actually important and valuable as a social or moral tool. But when done with extremely limited information, it can lead to false judgments too.

Wow Beav, your post is really good. I saw a similar discussion like this come up when a pack committee found that a CM was also a stripper. I was astonished that some folks felt it was none of the parents business that she strutted around naked every night to entertain men. I have many times explained that young teens are highly influenced by the behaviors of those they respect. A SM is usually one of those persons by default. From a boys perspective, that person wouldnt be a SM if the community didnt think they were a good leader. Influenced? You bet. Of course judging seems to b

I think it's kind of like saying that no 13 year old boy can be a good leader or have the qualities of an Eagle. There are some exceptional young men out there that are better than the adults that are trying to develop them. I had one 17 year old SPL that ran for the position again because he wanted to make some changes to improve the troop. He was so good that I had to give him some of my SM duties to challeng him. He is now 22 and would make a fantastic SM. I hope he is thinking about it. On the other side, I had some ASMs in their 30's and 40's that would be terrible scoutmasters. I don't t

Hi All In my opinion a SM only needs dedicated to Scouting ideals and a humble heart. The BSA mission is to make moral decision makers using the Scout Law. That basically requires a SM who understands how use the ideals to develop successful moral decision making adults. Humility is important to prevent the SMs self-gratification and self-servingness from restricting the program and allow others to to bring skills the SM may lack for a quality program. Barry

If its not guilt one way, it can be the other way. We had a couple similar situations, one being with an adult. He lost his temper and hit a scout with a nalgene bottle on the Philmont trail. Scout wasnt physically hurt, but it scared the crew enough to report it. We followed the book and gave our reports. Our SE did his job and reported the incident and the guy got fired from his job. I didnt want that, I only wanted him away from our scouts. Maybe I shouldnt care, but family security is one of our most important responsibilities and I was involved in taking it away from one family. Its