TAHAWK 1420 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) I do not prefer viewing with alarm, but this is at least interesting. One of my Scouts found this and emailed me a link. ". . . We achieve our aims through the methods of Scouting – 1) instilling the values of the Scout Oath & Law; 2) adult association through positive role models; 3) providing peer leadership opportunities; 4) goal setting and achievement; 5) uniforms, which give youth a sense of belonging to something bigger than themselves; 6) providing opportunities for service to others and 7) outdoor activities. These methods develop positive traits and outcomes. . .. Wayne." http://scoutingwire.org/scoutings-next-105-years-youth-guided-innovation/ "Wayne," in this case, as most will know, is BSA's Chief Scout Executive. I immediately looked for the BSA website I had consulted many times that lists the BSA AIms and Methods . It still lists: Ideals Patrols Outdoors Advancement Adult Association Personal Growth Leadership Development Uniform This statement of eight methods is consistent with the current (2104) syllabus for Scoutmaster Position-Specific Training. So I wonder, I wonder, I wonder, but do I really want to know? I hope that we simply need to once again apply Hanlon's Razor. Edited April 20, 2015 by TAHAWK Link to post Share on other sites
packsaddle 753 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) LOL. I'm hoping that date was supposed to be 2014, otherwise it might better be called 'Heinlein's' Razor. Edited April 20, 2015 by packsaddle Link to post Share on other sites
TAHAWK 1420 Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Too late for edit with new software. 2104 it must remain. I kant tipe. I wish I could say it was old age, but I have always been awful. 2-finger T. Link to post Share on other sites
qwazse 4345 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Well, thanks to these mobile devices. We're all thumbs. But, I think there is this misconception that patrols are only relieve to to the outdoors. I honestly don't see why STEM labs wouldn't apply the patrol method. A small cohesive group dedicated to uncovering the laws that govern the universe ... sounds like. Arrest way to learn. Link to post Share on other sites
TAHAWK 1420 Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Not only is Patrol missing, there are other changes. But the absence of Patrol as a method is the most troublesome. Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Hmm... He left out patrol method but added "service", which of course is not really a change in practice, Scouts have been doing "service" from the beginning, but is not a separate item on the "official" list. I also notice that "advancement" is not specifically mentioned, nor is "personal growth", maybe he is using "goal setting and achievement" to refer to both of those together. At first I thought this might be some hybrid list that is meant to include only the methods that Boy Scouting, Cub Scouting and Venturing all have in common, but if that is true, for one thing, Uniform should not be on the list since it is not a method of Venturing. Link to post Share on other sites
Gone 435 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Who among us would stop using the patrol method even if BSA took it out? Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle94-A1 2687 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Who among us would stop using the patrol method even if BSA took it out? DO NOT GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've seen troops in the past, and am seeing one now, that does not use the Patrol Method. This despite the fact that multiple folks tried to smack the SM upside the head [figuratively, not literally (unfortunately ] with the importance of using the Patrol Method. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Gone 435 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 DO NOT GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've seen troops in the past, and am seeing one now, that does not use the Patrol Method. This despite the fact that multiple folks tried to smack the SM upside the head [figuratively, not literally (unfortunately ] with the importance of using the Patrol Method. You can't take out something that wasn't there. I'm talking about troops where the patrol method has been in place. Link to post Share on other sites
Sentinel947 1205 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 DO NOT GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've seen troops in the past, and am seeing one now, that does not use the Patrol Method. This despite the fact that multiple folks tried to smack the SM upside the head [figuratively, not literally (unfortunately ] with the importance of using the Patrol Method. My battle in this area is well documented on this forum .... Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I wouldn't worry about this too much. It was probably written by some paper-pusher who did not know what they were talking about, and will be "clarified" later Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh 3452 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Dropping the patrol method is tantamount to tossing in the towel and going 100% adult-led and removal of leadership development as part of the program. The last step to making BSA an adult-led, boy-managed, troop-program. If this be the case, this will turn BSA into just another youth program that will need to compete along with all the rest. Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Dropping the patrol method is tantamount to tossing in the towel and going 100% adult-led and removal of leadership development as part of the program. The last step to making BSA an adult-led, boy-managed, troop-program. Well, he does still mention "leadership", though the actual phrase used, "providing peer leadership opportunities," is a little vague for my taste. As I said before, I wouldn't worry about this for now. It is just something that was posted on the Internet. It does not necessarily have the "force of law" or mean that the official publications will be changing. Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh 3452 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I'm not too worried. I have been part of traditional BSA for 50+ years. If they drop the program, it'll be a good excuse to do more outdoor stuff with my grandchildren. Link to post Share on other sites
perdidochas 658 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 DO NOT GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've seen troops in the past, and am seeing one now, that does not use the Patrol Method. This despite the fact that multiple folks tried to smack the SM upside the head [figuratively, not literally (unfortunately ] with the importance of using the Patrol Method. I have to admit, we weren't using the patrol method well if at all. Our troop for most of that was in the 20 active scout range, with maybe 12 on a campout. We could do ok with the troop method (troop being a sort of super-patrol). We now have 34 scouts. Troop method is not working for us, so we are in process of implementing the patrol method. Seems to be working fairly well, despite the learning curve. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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