What year was the 1st Class Rank revised? And help settle this please...

[Joni4TA]

I am talking specifically about the requirement added - #11; "Tell someone who is eligible to join Boy Scouts, or an inactive Boy Scout, about your troop's activities. Invite him to a troop outing, activity, service project, or meeting. Tell him how to join, or encourage the inactive Boy Scout to become active."

 

It wasn't in the 2002 printing of the handbook. I have a bit of a disagreement going on whether or not a boy has to complete this requirement. He apparently may have joined the unit BEFORE the revision/addition of #11. So another person believes the boy doesn't have to complete the requirement. I believe otherwise, as he didn't complete the requirement before things changed. Now that the rank requirements are different I believe he should complete all the requirements not currently done.

 

What say ya'll? Is there a "grandfather clause" in Boy Scout Requirements?

[Gold Winger]

There is only a "grandfather clause" if specified in the "Requirements" book which EVERY advancement chair and SM should have.

[Cubmaster Randy]

Beginning January 1, 2006, an additional requirement was added to the requirements for First Class rank in Boy Scouting. Scouts beginning their First Class requirement work after this date must complete the new requirement. Scouts working on First Class requirements prior to this date will have until June 30, 2006, to complete First Class rank without completing the new requirements.

 

http://www.wyoscouts.org/firstclassrequirements.htm

 

[Joni4TA]

Yeah... I have the Requirements books dated 2007. I also have the ACP&P #33088 dated 2002, BS Handbook dated 2002.

 

I don't see anything about 1st Class and #11 related to a grandfather clause.

 

That's why I asked here. Thanks!

[Joni4TA]

Thanks Cubmaster Randy! So now I wonder, is that a Central Wyoming Council decision or does that apply nationally? I can already tell you I am going to have a hard time convincing this particular person that because Wyoming says so, it's true for TX

[AnaMaria]

http://usscouts.org/advance/boyscout/bsrank4.asp

[Cubmaster Randy]

No it was implimented nationwide, That was just the first council website that I pulled up when I was looking for backup documentation. We had similar information here in Georgia but the website have been updated and I can't find the information.

 

FWIW, There was a discussion about it here last year http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=115951

 

and it is described here for

http://usscouts.org/usscouts/advance/changes/advchanges06.asp#1c

 

 

[epalmer84]

There is more on this in the November 2006 issue of Scouting:

http://www.scoutingmagazine.org/issues/0511/d-news.html

 

And, you can use the e-card at ScoutZone to help fulfill the requirement:

http://www.thescoutzone.org/ecard.jsp

 

Ed

[Gold Winger]

FWIW, it is a silly requirement but in there to try to bolster numbers. First Class and below is about Scouting skills, not recruiting.

 

 

[Joni4TA]

Thank you! I printed out the one from Scouting mag.

 

This boy started his 1st class in June 2006, so he definitely needs to complete requirement 11.

 

He won't have to send an e-card, he has a Webelos II little brother he plans to invite to the troop.

 

Thank you CM Randy, ePalmer, et al. I appreciate it!

 

P.S. epalmer???? Why do all your posts show up twice?

[acco40]

Gold Winger - I kind of agree with you but the BSA response is that this requirement helps teach the boys communication skills (a necessary Scout skill).

 

Tell someone who is eligible to join Boy Scouts, or an inactive Boy Scout, about your troop's activities. Invite him to a troop outing, activity, service project or meeting. Tell him how to join, or encourage the inactive Boy Scout to become active.

[John-in-KC]

As has been mentioned, the requirement had a lifespan for Scouts in progress to get to First Class. That lifespan is dead.

 

I agree the requirement is poorly worded, I'd far rather see "Bring a non-Scouting friend to your Troop Meeting. Introduce him to your Senior Patrol Leader and Scoutmaster. Tell him about the fun you have being a Boy Scout."

 

OTOH, I'm not on the National Advancement Committee, so I'll let my Council President do my voting for me.

[nldscout]

A Webelos 2 scout woul;d not fulfil the requirement until he has met all the Joining requirements.

[Gold Winger]

What a Webelos 2 scout? I'm looking in my various books and I see Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouts, Webelos Scouts, Boy Scouts but nothing with number like that.

[evmori]

It's a stupid requirement. All you need to do is ask the Scout if he has talked to any non-Scout about Scouting. Waste of time requirement in my opinion.

 

Ed Mori

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