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  1. UCEagle72 cites directly from the current Rules and Regulations that there is nothing written about a cor actually being a member of the co. Yet the national website states otherwise. I have seen dual sets of policies and procedures before in the realm of advancement. I have personally experienced the SE making his own rules under the guise that he is interpreting an official rule or regulation. The SE made up rules actually contradicted the official rules and regulations but alas, it wasnt convenient to the council to follow the rules. And the volunteers aren't capable of understanding
  2. Since you are posting from St. Paul I assume you are talking about Many Points. MP and our camp Owasippe have a common thread by the name of Wint Hartman. Once he developed Many Points to a Troop type camp with family camp he camp to work for chicago area council and help develop Owasippe scout reservation to the troop model with a family camp.
  3. Much closer to you and 100 years old. Owasippe Scout reservation in Twin Lakes Michigan www.chicagobsa.org They don't list provisional camp but if you a willing to work I am sure they can work it out. They do have provisional backpacking trips on the North country trail too.
  4. A highly placed individual in the Boy Scouts of America (BSA), on condition of anonymity, announced today that the preparations for moving the National Jamboree from Fort. A. P. Hill to The Summit: Bechtel Family National Scout Reservein West Virginia have not been progressing at the expected pace. The long-term contingency plan had been to hold the 2013 National Jamboree at Fort A.P. Hill if The Summit is not ready. In a surprise announcement, however, the Department of Defense notified the Boy Scouts of America in March that A.P. Hill would not be available. The Summit should still be a
  5. yes, Owasippe is alive and well. There is still some outstanding legal stuff about zoning (no longer for sale)but we are cooling forward to a 2011 100th aniversary celebration for the camp. I am on the camping committee and heard nothing but good things about the 2009 season. Lots of defered maintenance has been done but there is lots more to do. There is accutally a total of 5 operating camps: Camp Blackhawk Dining Hall, Camp Wolverine Hot Pack food served in site, Camp Carlen used for Webelos camp, wood badge and NYLT, Hiawatha Beach for Lone troop camping, and Reneker for family campi
  6. I was aquatics staff in 1968 and staff cook in 1969. For a number of years I taught Red Cross Swimmin. I still cook for 25 people at holiday dinners. Great start at CBG. Lodge Chief for a year. Lots of fine memories. Saturday nights in Wausau. Laundry runs to Mattoon. Canoe trip when Jim Rumchack had to bend a Grumman canoe in half to get it out from under the water roll. Waterskiing with Pete Kleinpaste. Train stories from Cecil Piggott. Drove nearby last week (august 2009) and I searched my GPS for the lake near Birnamwood, but I could not recall its name. Darn busy life. Baker-\
  7. Took our troop to Blackhawk (dining hall) at Owasippe in the late 80's. We had a great experience. Long time ago, but they had the best staff I think I've ever found in a Scout camp.
  8. My son and I had a chance to make a short visit to the Chicago Area Councils Owasippe Scout Camp yesterday. Folks were nice and it seems like a nice facility. They have two summer camps. One is a cook your own meals camp and the other is a dining hall facility. Has anyone attended Owasippe? How was your experience? Ken
  9. Chicago Area Council (Owasippe Scout Reservation is actually in W. Michigan) offers a 5 day Webelos resident camp, see flyer here: http://chicagobsa.doubleknot.com/openrosters/DocDownload.asp?id=49156 Upon looking around I also found several 4 day/3 night webelos resident camps within driving distance. I know 4 days isn't that much better than 3, but maybe a change of location would make it more exciting too: Black Swamp Area Council in NW OH . Registration form here (Webelos resident camp is on 2nd page): http://www.bsac449-bsa.org/assets/pdfs/Forms/Smoke-Signals-ad-Cub-Camp
  10. The article doesn't say the BSA is dropping their appeals. It is dropping the sale. Not surprising given the state of the economy and the strong chance that the purchaser's financing has probably dried up. They may also have tested the political waters in Michigan and discovered they were unlikely to win their appeal - but that's just speculation. Regardless, Owasippe is off the block for the time being.
  11. From today's Chicago Tribune. Boy Scouts decide to hang on to Michigan campground By Gerry Smith | Tribune reporter November 9, 2008 The Chicago Area Council of the Boy Scouts of America said Friday it has decided not to sell part of its Owasippe Scout Reservation, a sprawling campground in Michigan where area Scouts have attended summer camp since 1911. In a statement, the Boy Scouts said backing away from the sale to an investor group based in Holland, Mich., gives them "the flexibility to determine the future direction" of the reservation about 200 miles from Chicago.
  12. It is a pleasure to pass the word that the sales agreement for the Chicago Council to sell the Owasippe property has been terminated. Also, a Stipulation And Order Of Dismissal [with prejudice] has been agreed to between the Chicago Council and the Township concerning the zoning issues that have been in court. Several years of grass roots effort by many has been recognized by these actions of the Chicago Council. The complete message from the Council President can be found at www.chicagobsa.org.
  13. I just became aware of the T.I. situation. I wrote the article on the oldest camps a number of years ago that some of you are referencing. In my estimation Owassipe (1911) is the oldest BSA camp in the country followed by T.I. and Camp Teetonkah (in Michigan), both dating to 1913 as far as being local council summer camps. As far as I know, Owasippe, or rather the disposition of it by the Chicago Council is still mired in legal issues. The third of the three oldest camps, Teetonkah, was on the sale block a number of years ago after a council merger. The local folks in Jackson Michigan did the
  14. From the Muskegon Chronicle, Sept. 28, 2008: Boy Scouts want out of Owasippe land deal Chicago Boy Scouts are trying to get out of a purchase agreement for the Owasippe Scout Reservation that sparked a zoning lawsuit and fears that the pristine property would be turned into residential subdivisions. http://www.mlive.com/news/chronicle/index.ssf?/base/news-15/1222596916279410.xml&coll=8
  15. The Board of Directors for the Chicago Area Council have voted to terminate the contract to sell Owasippe Scout Reservation. The sale will formally be terminated when both parties have signed the agreement to terminate the contract. CAC has spent some 1M dollars seeking to rezone the 4700 acres so that it could be developed. Volunteers and Scouts of CAC wait with held breath. A Scout is Tenacious! LongHaul
  16. please note, This is not america's oldest scout camp. There is at least one, Owasippe, that has it beat by 2 yrs.
  17. Owasippe operated 6 weeks of camp in 2008. Opened 6/29. Last day was 8/9.
  18. The core issue of the Chicago Council decision to sell Owasippe has not changed. That was decided more than 3.5 years ago. At issue has been the decision to sell to a residential developer. The Council took on an obligation to sell to the developer, in exchange for over $19-million. In addition the Council took on the obligation to have the entire property zoning changed from Recreational to Residential. The Council has already spent more than $1-million to effect a zoning change. The expense has been paid from Council operating funds. There has been no special fundraising nor appea
  19. Greetings - I'm trying to assemble information on recently-closed or up-for-sale Scout camps. I've found a few scattered examples (big ones including Owasippe, Avery Hand, Onway) but was wondering if anyone knew of a list - even for a starting point - or if we could assemble one here. I'm mainly looking for camps closed within about the last five years. Please PM me with any questions. Thanks...
  20. Thank you SSScout for your question. The 5+ year effort of the Owasippe Outdoor Education Center (OOEC)to preserve the Owasippe property and to assure that Scout camping is preserved on the property would appreciate any financial assistance. The OOEC is a 501©(3) organization with it's Vision for the preservation of the property, including America's oldest Scout Camp, at www.ooec.org. Jim Schlichting Whitehall MI
  21. With the probability that an appeal is forth coming everyone can help by sending what they can to; Blue Lake Township Legal Fund 1491 Owasippe Road Twin Lake, MI 49457 This will help insure that the Township can fight the appeal. For those with the optimist view on things you can support the OOECs effort to purchase the property; Make checks payable to the Owasippe Outdoor Education Center, earmark them for the Save Owasippe Fund and mail them to the OOEC at P.O. Box 212, Whitehall, MI 49461. LongHaul
  22. A Circuit Court Opinion has been issued that solidly sides with the township's zoning of the Owasippe property. Residential housing as proposed by the Chicago Council has never been allowed on the property and has ruled that the township has the ability to maintain that designation. With probably more than $1-million already spent on the case it has been stated by Council officials that an appeal will go forth.
  23. LH writes: "I can only figure that your are referring to the sale of Owasippe Lake which to my knowledge occurred after the change in tax assessment, and some say as a result of the reassessment. Land adjacent to CAC's as I understand it was NOT reassessed at the higher rate at that time. That is to say all the property in that area of that zoning type was not reassessed at that time." I am refering to the CAC disposal of about 8,000 acres of Owasippe property which included Owasippe Lake and all of the Owasippe property that was between that Lake and the current Western boundary of
  24. Lisabob writes: "If I'm wrong about this, I'll be the first to celebrate, mind you." Celebration may be possible but it certainly is too early to buy any champagne concerning the Owasippe property. Some time ago the good people of the State of Michigan were wise enough to establish, through a vote of the people, the Michigan Natural Recources Trust Fund. This is a fund that collects the royalties paid for the extraction of oil, gas and such resources in Michigan. MNRTF funds can only be used for the purchase of property and for improvements to property with natural resource
  25. I can only figure that your are referring to the sale of Owasippe Lake which to my knowledge occurred after the change in tax assessment, and some say as a result of the reassessment. Land adjacent to CAC's as I understand it was NOT reassessed at the higher rate at that time. That is to say all the property in that area of that zoning type was not reassessed at that time. >>The people who want to see the property evolve into a long term viable Scout summer camp/green space/conference center/environment research center/FFA/ 4-H/Campfire/church group facility have been attempting to di
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