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Oh yes, I am most certain that the Central Region must have one before June. I went to one about 7 years back somtime in March I belive... It's been too long. I would just contact the Central Region office. You should be able to get the number from your local council. If you can't let me know and I'll search my files. Later. By the way- Aquatics??? geez why don't you do something easier for you last year? Try Camp Director training or something

Maybe there would be less discussion about the official uniform if everyone could afford wearing it. I'm sorry, but $40 for pants is excessive. I once encouraged kids to wear the official uniform, but now I encourage anything green. And to be honest I really don't care. If the BSA wants kids to wear the uniform, then they need to make it affordable to the average Scout. Making money off of kids, especially when they change 2 or 3 sizes in a year is downright disgusting. As I recall, (and I'm not going to waste my time looking it up in some book) but as I recall, the uniform is in part to

Maybe location does play a role. If a group of adults saw a bunch of kids wearing camo around here, they'd figure they'd be going hunting. Pwlane: My Scouts know how they are to act while in or out of their uniform. If they act differently depending on what type of clothes they are wearing, then I'm not doing my job.

And the saga continues people are going to think whatever they want, which is because we live in America. I guess it just seems silly that some people believe it is necessary to ban a type of clothing that is associated with the people that gave us the freedom to wear it. My last statistics show that about 1 of every 2 Scouts goes on to join the service. Is this because they like wearing camo or because of they love America and want to serve it? If some of you think that wearing camo is going to somehow transform the person wearing it into a militaristic killing machine, I question what y

I can't believe this has come up again... but since it has let me recall my last thoughts... oh yeah, "give me a break". If by simply wearing camo makes you paramilitary, then there are a lot of bow hunters that want to be in the army. Camo is a type of clothing that makes you fit in with your surroundings. It doesn't mean you're trying to be in the military. When some kids play capture the flag in camo and others in black shirts and jeans, does that mean that those wearing camo want to be in the army and those in black want to be robbers or Johny Cash? No, it means they don't want to b

and since they boys (PLC) plan the program and schedule, its their fault if dates conflict in the first place. Im sure that they boys wouldnt plan a campout on homecoming weekend now would they? However, an adult Im not so sure about

gee wiz- don't we all... i can't count the number of things i've tried to do all at once or everything i've tried to be somewhat active in. i recently joined our local Lions club and i thought, man that's all i need, but they are pretty easy going people, and i guess they're okay with me just visiting once in a while. i guess they're just thankful to have someone else with the same interests join them. i think it's okay to be active, just so long as you're not letting others down like Rooster7 alluded to. really, it's okay for kids to do a lot of stuff. most kids can handle it very well.

Stan I agree with you as well however, I must respond to OldGreyEagle. OGE, Im very sorry if I somehow offended you or anyones personal religious convictions or beliefs. I was not trying to proclaim anything about salvation or that reading the bible would get you personally into heaven. The point was intended to discuss fanatics, fringe, etc. I get the feeling you read more into that part of my post. Im not sure how it appeared that I was trying to shove anything down your throat. Im sorry if youve had some past negative experiences with religion or a certain faith Im not sure why yo

Excellent words of wisdom stan and kevin. It reminds me of the `ol man walking on the beach with the thousands of starfish that washed up after the storm. The man was throwing each of them one at a time back into the ocean. A young boy came along and asked why he was doing this when there were thousands upon thousands, how could it matter? The `ol man replied, because it matters to this one and threw it back into the ocean. There are a lot of kids out there that need all the help they can get. Each one of them matters and each one of them has the potential to do anything they put their m

I wholeheartedly agree with sst3rd. If you build it they will come! "You" meaning the collective effort of the troop. Yes, everyone involved in adult Scouting faces this opportunity. My saying has always been that "Scouting should compliment life, not complicate it". There is a lot going on for a boy. My advice is to not make them choose. There have been some Scouts in my troop that have taken 3 months off for football. I have even gone to watch a few games. I have yet to see the coach at one of our Court of Honors... Nontheless, that's besides the point. Put it in this perspective.

Oh this is a very old thread, but I think there is some confusion on the side of liquid fuel regulations. It is fine to use but according to the BSA's Mandatory camp standard number @#@$, all extra liquid fuels are to be locked in a fireproof container clearly marked flamable. In other words, those bottles of extra fuel really aren't to just be laying around in your Scout's tents!!! As far as stoves, I like my Weber grill

Well, I believe that the LAGALABATATA would probably represent a good majority of people of that nature and even be recognized by some national organization of people that believe in that stuff. I believe considering it a fringe of the group would be inaccurate. Ask yourself, what would people of that walk of life dream about- fantasize about? Got a good picture in your mind??? Nonetheless, I dont like radical comparisons. Id much rather people see others as enthused and not necessarily fanatics. My fellow Christians can thump their Bible all they want, and if they do it with peace

Im not talking about having weekly programs on such topics. Nor am I talking about undermining the responsibility of the parent. However, if a kid asks (and to me even if he doesn't), there is nothing wrong with telling a 12 year old that he shouldnt be having sex. Further, I believe most parents enroll their kids in Scouting to reinforce the traditional family values that they try to instill at home. Theyre hoping someone else will let their kids know that drugs are bad, abstinence is okay, its cool to believe in God, and traditional family values are something everyone should strive for.

Im not talking about having weekly programs on such topics. Nor am I talking about undermining the responsibility of the parent. However, if a kid asks (and to me even if he doesn't), there is nothing wrong with telling a 12 year old that he shouldnt be having sex. Further, I believe most parents enroll their kids in Scouting to reinforce the traditional family values that they try to instill at home. Theyre hoping someone else will let their kids know that drugs are bad, abstinence is okay, its cool to believe in God, and traditional family values are something everyone should strive for.

Im not talking about having weekly programs on such topics. Nor am I talking about undermining the responsibility of the parent. However, if a kid asks (and to me even if he doesn't), there is nothing wrong with telling a 12 year old that he shouldnt be having sex. Further, I believe most parents enroll their kids in Scouting to reinforce the traditional family values that they try to instill at home. Theyre hoping someone else will let their kids know that drugs are bad, abstinence is okay, its cool to believe in God, and traditional family values are something everyone should strive for.

I wholeheartedly agree with you chanoneescouter, with the exception of one thing, but I won't go there. I think the sad reality is that a lot of the kids in Scouting do see their Scoutmaster much like the dad they wish they had. For many of the single parent kids out there, Scouting is more a family than their blood relation is. As far as your bumper sticker... I can only pray that it's right. While we can raise our kids the best way we know how, it sure doesn't help to have mixed messages from people that should know better. Nor does it help to see a ton of advertising f

Hooray for leaders, that through adversity continue to teach children the values found in the Scout Oath and Law. Hooray for men and women with the courage to stand up for what they believe! Hooray for Scouts everywhere that live the Scout Oath and Law on a daily basis! Hooray for the thousands of businesses, United Way Agencies, American Legions, Lion Clubs, Churches, and schools that choose to support an organization second to none in character development for youth! Hooray for elected officials everywhere that listen to the people and are fighting for Scouting!

1. Im not sure exactly what ownership entails. Maybe the BSA needs to look at its association with the chartering partner. The association that I have been familiar with, from personal experience, does not seem to mandate a subscription of principles from the unit to the chartering partner. 2. Employment law is a separate issue. I dont believe the BSA is asking the chartering partner to adopt its policies or beliefs in how it practices business. Many organizations and businesses partner with one another, but dont rewrite their bi-laws to fit those of their partner because of it. I do

Im not sure we are in agreement with what the role of the chartering partner is. In Scouting they do not run the unit. They help with securing a meeting place, approving leaders, etc. The charter partner, at least from my experience is not involved intimately with the Scouting program. I believe that you are now comparing inherent traits with moral choice. I dont believe anyone is going to argue that how God (or nature if you wish) made an individual is comparable to how they choose to live their life. For that reason, I believe that an individual school district or the people woul

I'm not sure that you are understanding my point either. I am proclaiming that public schools are just that, the publics schools and that any group should be able to ask for support, guidance, admittance, refuge, or other means of assistance. It is at the publics discretion whether or not to support any individual cause based on that groups merits. I have no problem with any group requesting a public school charter. Whether it is granted should be left to the people. Why do you decree that this would be best handled in the courts? Would it not be better to determine the will of the

Dear Sir, Religious freedom is the right to practice or not to practice religion without being persecuted. At no time are your rights taken away by allowing someone else to practice their religious freedom. You seem to conclude that by allowing, acknowledging, sponsoring, or assisting someone to practice openly and freely, it somehow takes away your rights. Certain activists have taken the Constitution and tried to make it fit their needs. Amendment 1 was not written to stifle people. It was meant to allow individuals the right to exercise their beliefs freely and openly with whomeve

Dear Sir, Im not sure what attitude you believe I am exhibiting, however, since you feel a need to peruse the law might I remind you of a few things. 1. First and foremost, I am NOT talking about voting anyones civil rights away. You and others have equal rights as granted by the Constitution. The BSA is not currently nor ever has tried to take anyones rights away. How can you conclude that public approval of the BSA would take anyones rights away? 2. The anti-discrimination policies that have been referred to ARE adopted by local individual school districts. This is very

Man, I never would have imagined that this thread would have been as interesting as you guys made it! Way to go! I sat there saying, yeah, uh-huh, right-on bro! And then, hmmm, well, Im not so sure. One thing is for sure though, I always have an opinion I dont let Scouts bring their personal tents, because I dont want to be responsible for damages. It appears we have the same tents that Uncle Bob has. I bought 20 2-person tents from the Sports Authority for $40 each. Each patrol is assigned 3-4 tents and they have to use them for about 5 years. Thats right, we get 20 tents ev

Well, if my district mandated that my Scouts couldn't wear camo, I think I might get a good laugh and then wonder if their time might be better spent on something a little more productive. Maybe my time would be better spent staying away from the district as well. This is definitely a topic for the "Give me Break" column.

Samoset Council, Central and Northern Wisconsin Troops are chartered mostly with civic clubs and churches, cub packs have a higher rate with schools. No problems up here. There have been a few letters to the editor, but I responded politely and since then- nothing. You can read the open letter and my response here: http://www.troop200.com/stevens_point_journal.htm We are pretty much without a major issue. But then I like it that way, it leaves more time for planning the next outing and Scouting