johnsch322

The silence on this topic right now is deafening.

One reason I see every LC signing (especially those with look back windows) is the cost of litigation. If BSA has no skin in the game will they contribute to an LC's legal costs....I d not think so. Of course I am sure that those LC's might have the ability to pay in later. Most likely before the approval of a plan.

That is just the cram down plan and why would the the TCC approve it. They would be way better off waiting for the exclusivity to end. Also some councils have sold off assets and sent letters to their members stating the money is going to the settlement.

So if your claim falls into scenario #3 would you vote yes? What about the 10's of thousands of claims that named no local council....how would you vote then? Still needs to be enough votes.

Kosnoff Law @SexAbuseAttys BSA and the Survivors Representatives apparently close to a deal. Agreed request for continuance of tomorrow's hearing. Stay tuned. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/e97b2e05-5d1f-47ac-a4e2-541eb269322c_5219.pdf… 2:20 PM · Jun 3, 2021·Twitter Web App

Still not sure how it could work without all of the LC's contributing from the get go.

I completely agree. Especially if the LC's assets are reverted back to the National upon termination of the charter. LC's are not franchises.

The question will be are LC's the "alter ego" of the national.

In the corporate world you basically have the same situation. Corporate veils are pierced quite often. When push comes to shove so will this one.

I believe they should be allowed to exist and they should get another chance to prove that they are able to not make the past mistakes but victims should come first. Victims should be adequately, fairly and justly compensated. BSA should be actively going after the insurance company's (not just making meager agreements with back doors for them) and compelling the LC's to put up as much as possible not allowing them to be hiding behind a veil (BSA should come out and say we have control of the LC's because they do). Not just trying to give the least possible in effort and monetary compensation.

Either. What do you as an individual feel? Is 2.3 or 2.7 million for the upper end meet what you would call adequate/equitable or do you think it is high or low?

Yes that is what the BSA says and the TCC has a much larger figure. Not so interested in the legal stances I wonder more about what individuals feel.

So all of the phrasing is basically the same. BSA and the TCC has put forward a Matrix. BSA says as of now there there is not enough assets to meet the matrix payouts. But there might be in the future. My question is and I am putting it to the forum do you think that the matrix is fair and adequate? Do you think 50% is or is it low when you add in say 50 years of suffering?

I keep hearing and heard in the NAM presentation the words "adequate compensation" yet what gets put on the table seems to me to be far less than adequate. So I pose this to the forum...What does "adequate compensation" equate to you? I am very curious what those who were not abused have to say and how that would be compared to a survivors perspective.

Moved to Bankruptcy topic

Not sure how this could work. If hypothetically National and half of the LC's settled and a trust was established who gets access to the trust money. If claimant A's LC settled and B's doesn't can B participate and get as much as A (if abuse was even) from the trust? Does B retain his right to sue his LC? If B sues his LC does the portion or percentage given by the other LC's to the trust get deducted from his settlement and go back into the trust? Does the right to retain the ability to sue have a dollar value? Whew seems kind of messy. I think it will have to be one or the other.

Scouts or unit leaders that matter are unaware of the bankruptcy details, and that is good (he should of put a thank god in there)

I am sure you are correct and we all know that reading emails to that address is not something he actually does. Only after an assistant screens them.

This might be the start of more states AG's opening investigations especially those that might need to garner public positivity. Could Gavin Newsom here in California who needs to distract attention from his recall ask the AG here to help him out?

In the TCC letter to the judge I find it amazing that all the email addresses are exposed. Maybe we should all email Mr. Schiavone and ask him why he won't comply? LOL

I would hope that we all have done some research, know that there were 7,800 (at least) individuals named in the perversion files and get beyond a narrative of "some bad apples". I am sure that out of 85K claims there are some false or some outright lies being told but that does not support a "some bad apples" narrative.

I find this point of view to be shall we say...BS no A. The biggest threat was the bad publicity. A secondary concern was litigation as in the 50's and 60's very little civil suits were being filed on behalf of victims of sexual assault. As far as the 21st century BSA offering counseling when did that happen? If I am not mistaken it started when they wanted to test the waters to see how many victims might come forward. The cover up is always worse than the crime i.e. Richard Nixon and Watergate. And make no mistake this has been a cover up!!

I am very fortunate in that my health insurance will pay 100% and if my therapy continues beyond my retirement the VA will pay for it. Thank you.

Here is where I have an issue. It isn't to me so much what the BSA did but what they did not do. They did not help those that were in need and that was the victims of the "evil pedophiles". In my situation the local council knew that one of my rapists victimized 12 to 13 boys such as myself and never lifted a finger to try and identify any of us and get us the help that was needed. Yes they prevented him from being a volunteer again in another city several years later but essentially covered up what he had previously done. Does anyone know of a situation where after a Boy Scout was victimized that the BSA went to the victim and made sure that the proper counseling and therapy was provided? Yesterday after 54 years I had my first therapy session and that is 54 years to late.

I would go with typo.