mrjohns2

This is the reason why family members are not allowed juries. We would feel destroyed. We would nor be good arbiters of justice. Funny, I dislike the lawyers seeking windfalls, but don’t feel that those abused aren’t entitled to a large settlement. I don’t feel like they are victimizing current Scouts. In general, the whole situation makes me sad.

The Girl Scouts did this. Especially half way through the year. That makes a lot of sense for the BSA to do the same, say, just about now. Make it free to join, and hope when recharter rolls around, they pay.

I thought this was just a Scouter and his son visiting a troop? Not a den or pack activity? There are plenty of things a parent who is a Scouter and a cub could do and it wouldn’t be the business of the COR.

When an organization is bleeding funds, one looks to cut costs. Not just dollars, but resources. So while Ventuering and Sea Scouts are neat, I assume they don’t pay the bills at all. From a uniform and insignia inventory standpoint, to a Scoutbook programming standpoint, and any portion of any staff members time. When you can’t pay the bills, it is hard to justify charity to programs that clearly aren’t going to be cost neutral or better anytime soon.

I think I agree. I would effectively not do ANYTHING with them and down staff any professional staff / move them into other holes. Maybe that has already happened. I guess you could starve them without announcing it. I can now see the point. Vocal tiny tiny group wins hearts and minds and distracts from the real work. That would be more of a resource drain than to just let them fade away (as they are).

They caved to a tiny portion of the program. It was disappointing and showed how the national committee was / is not willing to take any radical steps. Keep doing the same thing, you’ll keep getting the same results.

I wish they would just spin off / stop Explorers, Sea Scouts, and Venturers. The carrying cost can’t be zero.

For CFL in particular, it will not be leased back.

Agreed. I also know, just like allergies, if anyone has a "do not let them go home with this person". For us, no Scouts have anyone listed. Which makes it easy. Allergies? A bit harder.

It is the potentially huge part. Commissions on a house are very very different. There isn't a windfall potential in that case. The value is more or less known, upfront, without a chance to blow up by 1000%. I can't think of many other commission situations that result in windfalls beyond the work put in.

If it is on the form, I very much would be liable. If it is not on the form? That is why I have personal liability insurance. For cases just like this.

You don't think they were representing themselves in that case? They just didn't make out. They choose wrong, I guess, or did a bad job. I assume if they see the 0% coming, they will do their best, within the law, to cut their losses. Again, representing their client AND themselves. Just like an agent does.

Wow. What state? We only canceled the spring ordeal. Summer callouts and the fall were modified. As is tomorrow's fellowship weekend. I feel pretty lucky.

Uh, not in cases where the lawyer gets a percentage of the verdict. They represent their clients AND themselves. If they only got paid T&M, then sure. If they get a windfall by winning? You bet they are representing themselves as much or more than the client.

Scouts and Scouters may have paid for it, but we didn't hold the policy.

I hope you keep working your ticket! It is worth figuring out how to get done within your new situation. I really dislike the coed troop idea. At first, I was very upset at the BSA. After I have worked more and more with our girl troop, I see the reason why the BSA decided not to go co-ed. The Scouts take more risks when not around our boys troop. They speak up more, they laugh more, and they lead more. They have fund playing 9 square etc. with the boy troop, but really come back and learn about leadership when outside of the earshot of the boys.

Do you have a reference for this? It is my understanding the SM is selected by the COR and/or CC. Not by the committee.

I was at $2M, but your $4M caused me to reevaluate this last week. From both a holding and liability standpoint, I hadn't done a review in 5 years or so. I am now too at $4M. It wasn't much more to go from 2-4.

2% of all youth registered. Pretty much a failure as a movement goes. This is NOT something that should be used as a model of co-ed success. I hope national only spends 2% of its resources on it (or less since many youth & adults are dual enrolled and thus not paying extra for it).

Even before COVID, the numbers would say by at least that measurement, Venturing and Sea Scouting are not successful. This is from a national viability perspective. I bet there are many (hundreds) very successful crews and ships, so from the "on the ground" perspective it is great.

Other than being seasonal, how is this different? Dens are grade based, like GSUSA already.

Not any different than a franchisee would see.

I was in that group in 1982. I believe there was also a poster with tiger paw stickers. There were hats as well.

My understanding is that they are written at the 8th grade level. So, for some it would be harder than others. It really is up to the troop to make sure that it isn't too advancement oriented.

Meetings are the same place and time. Campouts are the same weekend, meet at same place, same time, but 9 out of 12 are different locations. So, adults must choose who to go with.