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  1. From what I read, nobody knows that the SPL is making any money off of this... they thought that the SPL might be due to the cost, but those cards cost money, and most of the adults admit that they know nothing about the game. Like I suggested earlier, each Scout that wanted to play could just bring a predetermined number of unopened packs so that no money changes hands. As far as length of game, a large draft game takes a couple of hours or less, depending on number of players. The person who said that their son plays all weekend is saying that they build multiple decks and have multiple games, not one game that lasts the entire weekend. I can't really address the exclusionary aspect. Like I said before, my son and his patrol played, not the whole troop. They played during their downtime. It was something that they all liked to do. Now that they have aged out, they still get together to go camping and play Magic.
  2. You're not understanding how the draft game works. It isn't gambling... the money is used to pay for the cards that are provided. What your Scouts are doing is playing with cards they brought. In a draft game, you don't bring your own cards... new packs are purchased and the players select their cards to build their decks from that pool of cards, the theory being that everyone stars on equal footing. And at the end of the game, you get to keep the cards you selected. So basically, you are paying for new cards. In games where you bring your own cards, it can be difficult to be competitive because one player may have bought 5 packs of cards and built his deck from the best of those, and the other player may have bought 100 packs to build a deck.
  3. I wouldn't let that stop you from going... So much more to experience than just patch trading.
  4. Like this patch above, most of the patches my son collected when he went to Jambo had very little to do with scouting...
  5. Shouldn't Scouts act Scoutlike and uphold the Scout Oath and Law in all aspects of their lives, not just things that have to do with Scouting? My son and his group of friends play Magic on camp outs during down time... They even took Magic cards to Philmont. Not really much different than Scouts of yore playing Yahtzee or Hearts.
  6. What merit badge did they ask you to teach? Just curious, as I can't think of any that could be completed in such a short time frame off the top of my head.
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    Walking out on merit badges

    Agree... can't make it better in the future if they don't know what was wrong.
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    Parents as MBCs

    I think this MB is great for a group. My son's troop did it, and they participated in a 50 mile ride for Cancer at the end. The group that participated met each week for rides and to train to build up for the Cancer ride. It was an awesome experience for the boys.
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    Rifle Shooting Merit Badge Requirements

    I'm going to say "it depends".... In the requirements, it states "Explain", and "Identify", so if the test is over those items, then I don't see an issue. With that said though, I am more concerned about safe handling with my scouts. I want them to come out of my class knowing and understanding the NRA four rules of gun safety... know what they are, and demonstrate while on the range. Observing how you handle yourself and the firearm tells me more about your understanding of the requirements than the worksheet or a test.
  10. I was hoping that just came out wrong! Thanks. I do get what you are saying about MB university and even summer camp. I just think if you try to draw a line in the sand on the issue, someone will challenge you on it and you will lose that challenge at council. If your council is completing Eagle required badges in a few hours though, I would take that up with council... there is no way that they can complete all the requirements in a single session.
  11. Most of the Eagle badges can't be completed at a MB college because they can't do all of the requirements in one day. This is where the Scoutmaster should be recommending a "suitable" MB counselor for his scout to work with to finish the badge out. The MB counselor can then "review" the other requirements to make sure the scout has a good understanding. I asked my son what his thought was on the MB college and Eagle MB... His thought is that MB colleges are good for knocking out the classroom type of requirements. Every Eagle MB has requirements that can be taught in a classroom setting. And what is the difference between going to a MB college on a Saturday, or sitting in his room looking up things on the Internet to fill out a MB worksheet? Fellowship with other scouts...
  12. This is quite a bit of thread drift, but a couple of your statements concern me. First, why should you have the right to deny merit badges taken at these events? I get it, you don't think the Scout has mastered the requirement, but again if the council is hosting the event or approves the event, and it is being led by council approved MB counselors, then no, you do not have the right to not accept them. Second, just to be clear, that 18 yr old who has aged out of Scouts (and may well be an Eagle Scout), but is now giving back by teaching a merit badge class during Summer camp doesn't mean much to you?
  13. I don't think you can do that... If the MB counselor is registered and approved by your council advancement committee, then you have no legitimate reason to not issue the Scout the blue card.
  14. My son told me about a kid who wrapped his shoes in duct tape with the sticky side out and then ran across another scout's trading blanket, trying to pick up patches with the tape as he went through the trading area. He learned not to put his patches on the ground from that one.
  15. Kinda like patches at Jambo, huh?
  16. Basically sounds like the SPL wants to have a Magic tournament as an activity on a camp out. Many of the scouts in my son's troop played Magic, but I am not aware of them ever doing a draft game. The way a draft game works is that each player gets X number of unopened packs at the beginning of the game. They open the packs and they keep one card from each pack. They then pass the rest of the pack to the left. This continues as each player chooses a card from each pack as they go around the table... thus the "draft" concept. So having a fee makes sense, as you have to cover the cost of the cards. Each participant gets to keep the deck that they built, and usually the winners will get more unopened packs. It really isn't gambling... but the SPL should not be profiting from it either. Perhaps a better way to do this would be for each scout who would like to participate, they need to bring X number of unopened packs. Just have them bring enough packs of cards to play the game itself, not to provide prizes to the winners. This also alleviates the possibility of the SPL turning a profit.
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    Rifle Shooting MB, target clarification

    Welcome to the forum James. You may use one of the three types of targets listed. You do not need all three.
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    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    When my son went through, there was no requirement to camp with a troop. Wasn't even suggested by the handbook, nor did a troop invite us to. We did a troop visit with a couple of the local troops and I honestly didn't care for those either because they were dog and pony shows for the Webelos, not typical troop meetings or activities.
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    Cub Scout Patrols

    Don't knock the "sit upon".... Use one when dove hunting. Has a cooler liner to keep my water and Gatorade cold while in the field!
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    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    It has been a few years since I was involved at the Cub Scout level, so things may have changed... but back then, the training for the Webelos den leader didn't exactly prepare them. The problem I see is that unless the leader has been involved with Boy Scouts previously as a youth, or has had a child in Boy Scouts, they just don't know what Boy Scouts is. Hard to transition boys to a program that you know nothing about! The Webelos program itself was not geared towards transition either when my son went through. The Outdoorsman Activity is the only one that I remember that encouraged a troop visit in the requirements. If it is really a transition, then the Webelos den should be engaged with a Troop as well. However, that puts an extra burden on the PLC of a troop to prepare more things for Webelos to come and do with the troop. Webelos is an awkward time in the program... too old for Cub Scouts, but too young for a troop.
  21. Have you spoken with your Scout Master about this? Is he advising you to do the form?
  22. No, the beneficiary is doing the fundraising. They set up the website, not the scout. They collect funds, not the scout.
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    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    We obviously have that as well. My point is that even though it is a NSP, they have an older boy that joins their patrol to be their patrol leader and teach them their basic scouting skills. Our Instructors lead demonstrations at the troop level, where our Troop Guides are directly tied to the first year patrols.
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    Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I like the idea of NSPs... and how it was implemented in our troop. Although I can see where you might say it is Cub Scoutish... maybe what Webelos should be. We do have an ASM that is assigned to work with the first year scouts specifically, and once a month they have a first year meeting or outing to work on requirements. But we also have a Troop Guide that is assigned as their patrol leader to teach them scouting skills on campouts. When a boy in the group reaches First Class, he is made the Patrol Leader and the Troop Guide takes a step back. He still helps and guides, but now that NSP has an actual Patrol Leader participating in PLC. They do focus quite a bit on advancement, but the thought is that be getting them to First Class at around 1 yr, they have a bigger part in the troop and are more likely to stay with the troop. So it is a retention based concept as well.
  25. If we aren't going to follow the process, then why have the process at all? The Eagle Scout Project should be complete and signed off before the EBOR... It's a done deal at that point. Questions on fundraising should have been asked and answered during the proposal phase. This is why so many say that the paperwork is too complicated... because too many insist on taking extra steps just in case. Read the doc, follow the instructions...