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Earth to Trevorum, Earth to Trevorum... You expect anyone reading your comment to believe that? Liberals running in national elections can't get far enough away from the term "liberal!" They all try to convince the voters they are moderates, because they know being tagged a liberal in a national election will cause defeat. That is how Bill Clinton won - he convinced the public he was a moderate. His wife will try to pull the same stunt, but I don't think she will be nearly as successful. Question - is Hillary a liberal? If so, is she proudly proclaiming it? According to your post, Jo

I never said compromise was a dirty word. I said those in the middle were "great compromisers and appeasers." (Sorry, Hunt - liberals don't like being called liberals either, but at the end of the day, that is what they are). From my viewpoint, those in the middle hail the ability to compromise as the greatest of all virtues. To them, if you can't compromise, you are an extremist. There is no principle too important or sacred which can't be subjugated in order for them to achieve compromise. I, on the other hand, have certain principles which I am not willing to compromise. That ma

Ah, the virtuous middle. Great compromisers and appeasers. Able to see clearly what others fail to see at all. Followers of the infamous Neville Chamberlain. Me, I prefer extremists - like those brave souls who signed the Declaration of Independence. Now those were some extremists! Or Patrick Henry. At the time of the Revolution, there were about 1/3 who wanted independence, 1/3 wanted to remain loyal to England, and 1/3 in the middle. Luckily, the "extremists" were exactly that, and the rest, as they say, is history.

Cub Scout Day Camp is defined in the Cub Scout Leader Book (pg. 33-4). "Day camp is an organized one- to five-day program for Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouts and Webelos Scouts conducted by the council under certified leadership at an approved site. Day camps are conducted during daylight or early evening hours. Day camps do not include any overnight activities. Certification of the day camp director and program director is provided through the National Camping School. All day camps shall be conducted in accordance with established standards as provided in National Standards fof Local Council

FScouter is dead right on the uniform policy. That being said, our District sold and required t-shirts for our Day Camp, which was the uniform of the day. Other policies I see violated frequently include the one requiring the uniform to be worn in full - no parts. I see adults wearing all kind of pants/shorts with their Scout shirts. Another states that Packs do not have the right to set their own uniform policy, but I know several Packs that have their own "waist up" policy. Mostly they claim the shorts and pants are too expensive and uncomfortable. I can't say I disagree, but I "st

SA, All I can tell you is we live in different worlds. BTW, I draw my paycheck as a consultant monitoring over $40 million in Community Development Block Grants, which covers around 80 projects. Each and every one of those must follow Davis Bacon, and it is my job to monitor that they are, so I am just a little familiar with Davis Bacon. "Prevailing wages" is correct, and when those prevailing wages are surveyed from a metropolitan (Entitlement) area, they are going to be union wages. In nearly 15 years, I have never seen an exception to this. Here in the South, I have also never seen

Suspending Davis Bacon was the smartest thing Bush has done! But this does not suspend local, state or federal labor laws - it does not remove OSHA requirements. Davis Bacon has very little to do with worker safety. The main thing suspending Davis Bacon does is remove union wages from the project, and opens the rebuilding job up to more contractors. Under Davis Bacon, there is no such classification as a "helper." Most electricians or plumbers have workers who are learning the job, but aren't journeymen yet. They do not pay these workers the same pay as journeymen, but they still make

"Immigration is a political issue, not a religious issue. Please don't confuse the two." Says who? Uh - that would be the Constitution. Please show me where any church is allowed to make law. I like to think of the US not as a Christian nation, but as a God-fearing nation. Churches have plenty of avenues for helping the poor - it's called missionary work. I guess you (Hunt) would use taxpayer money from Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and aetheists to fund charity work in the name of Jesus Christ. I don't think that would sit very well with most of this country - even the "Christia

Immigration is a political issue, not a religious issue. Please don't confuse the two. President Bush has proposed documenting the illegals and issuing them a 3-year work permit. He has never promised waving a wand and making them legal. Controlling immigration is a good thing. Anyone else live in a fast growing county, where the schools are overcrowded, and every year more trailers are parked in what used to be the playground? Do your property taxes keep going up and up each year, to pay for more school rooms and more teachers? This is the terrible result of uncontrolled growth. Pe

The Ceremonies for Dens and Packs booklet states that Scouts in uniform should salute. It does not state they must be in Class A's to salute. I have friends who are in the Army, who salute during the presentation of Colors or the pledge while wearing BDU pants and an Army t-shirt. That is there uniform of the day; I consider our Class B (Pack t-shirt and Scout short/pants) to be the same. So yes, I instruct our Scouts to salute when wearing the Pack t-shirt uniform.

Who are these people the author is complaining about? They are the far lefties, the ones in California who complained about the Fire Departments flying the US flag from their fire trucks after 9/11, forcing the fire departments to remove them. They are the liberals who complained about seeing so many flags - on cars, on homes, everywhere after 9/11 - and claimed we were being jingoistic, instead of patriotic. They are the liberals who demonize Christopher Columbus, accusing him of genocide, and want to force the US Government to stop recognizing Columbus Day as a holiday. They are th

Trevorum, Amen on the "political statement." Sorry my reply took the thread off on a tangent. Just wanted to see if we were talking about the same subject. I just happen to be planning our unit's very first flag retirement, so the subject is fresh on my mind.

Title 36, Section 176, of the United States Code states: "No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America;" Burning the flag may be protected under the First Amendment, but the question was "Do you let YOUR Scouts burn the American flag?" My Scouts? Not on your life. I wouldn't care whether it was on Scout time, or not. You don't stop being a Scout when you take the uniform off. If one of my Scouts did burn the flag in protest, they would have to find another Pack to join, or my Pack would have to find another Cubmaster. If you want to protest - fine; ju

Do I let my Scouts burn the flag? No! Would I let my Scouts retire an old flag? Yes. I hope you meant "burn" as in retiring an old flag properly.

TheFourGuardians, My post was not written as a direct response to you. If it had been, I would have started the post as I started this one. I follow general rules of courtesy on the web: 1. If I am typing a message to a specific individual, I will address it to them. 2. I do not hide behind an alias. I find people are much more courteous if they are speaking as themselves, instead of having to hide their true identity. 3. I try to avoid personal attacks, and try to deal only with facts and the truth. If you took my post as an attack - well, I can't help you with that. You ar

So Scouting is not "cool." Please show me which of the Scout Laws says "A Scout is "cool."" Where in the Scout book does it teach a Scout how to be "cool?" No, Scouting is not about being "cool." It is about building leaders, and, to me, finding a higher purpose in life - much higher than "being cool." Those boys in the chess club and marching band are searching for a higher purpose in life - a higher purpose which will bring them greater fulfillment in life than "being cool." Members of the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra didn't get there by worrying about "being cool" - they got there b

The "turning upside down" ceremony used to happen a lot, at least around here. Evidently, it used to happen other places as well, since the BSA puts the following statement in the Bobcat section of the Tiger book: "The Boy Scouts of America prohibits any Bobcat ceremony in which boys are physically turned upside down." I don't know of any cases where a boy was actually dropped and injured. I do know some dads who liked the ceremony, and would continue to do it if they were allowed.

P_S, I have my hands full dealing with the 100 boys WHO WANT to be Scouts - I don't have time to "consider" those others who can't see past biased news, and need to be convinced that Scouting is still the greatest program their son will ever participate in. If they need convincing, they probably aren't going to stick. They will find something else they don't like with the program, and eventually bail. That's fine - Scouting is not for everyone. Only those with a sense of adventure, a "can do" attitude, and a willingness to put others before themselves should sign up. We just took 70 Sc

A Scout is Trustworthy. Bob, please recall the conversation we had over lunch on Saturday, June 11th, I believe. Did you not tell me the purpose of your group meeting with David Larkin was to try to open the doors to Home Depot, so Scouts could raise money for your mentoring group? Did we not discuss this, and agree that Scouts could not be used to raise money for any other group? If I misunderstood, then please explain the reason your group went to meet with David Larkin. What was the purpose of the meeting, and why did you need his assistance? Another question, if I may - Why does

It is PAINFULLY OBVIOUS you know nothing about the Atlanta situation, except what you have read at bsft.com - you have their talking points down pretty well. Do you have any other source of information on the subject? I didn't think so. Come on down to Atlanta, and I will show you all the Scouts you want to see. Notice I'm not so afraid of the truth that I have to hide behind a screen name. If you are so big on transparency - "Again, openness and transparency are not to be feared when there is nothing to hide." - then why not use your real name and location?? What do you have to hide??

They DID have an independent law firm come in and check the numbers. The bsft.com group didn't have a problem with the audit, until the numbers didn't come out the way they wanted. Since they don't agree with the numbers, they now claim the audit was politicized. This is Joe Beasley's (Rainbow/PUSH coalition) 15 minutes of fame, and he is riding it for all he is worth. This guy writes David Larkin a personal letter, in which he admires our new Service Center/Scout Shop, and then turns around and says it was a racist act to build the new center just outside the perimeter (where most of us

Funny - I'm in the dreaded Atlanta Area Council, with all the bad news, and our numbers just keep going up. You want facts? 65 Cub Scouts 2 years ago, 75 last year, up to 102 this year. Our District Day Camp was sold out at 150 boys this summer. The AAC owns 2 camps used for summer camp - Bert Adams and Woodruff. Wait a week or two after registration for summer camp opens, and see if you can get into Woodruff. 22 camp sites, serving approx. 1,000 boys each week. They run 7,000 boys through camp each summer - sold out. The council runs 3 Wood Badge courses each year. You are tryi

I am in the Atlanta Area Council, and I have had first-hand conversations with the parties involved. I am Cubmaster for Pack 494 in Dunwoody, Activities Chair for the Hightower Trail District, and serve as Cub Scout Chair for Scouters Academy for the Atlanta Area Council. I am a volunteer Scouter. I have done my own investigating, and from what I have seen and heard from both sides, I don't believe anything posted on boyscoutsfortruth.com. The AAC may have some problems, but these guys are just out trying to pull a Jessie Jackson-style shakedown. As they say, follow the money... This

Ed, I know of review boards who have turned Eagle applicants away because the green pants they were wearing weren't official BSA uniform pants. I guess you better hit the speed dial button on your phone for the ACLU - these boys' rights are being violated! This sounds like a perfect case for those clear thinkers and defenders of liberty. (/sarcasm off)

Ed, Requiring a uniform for certain events is not adding additional requirements. The policy states "A boy is not required to have a uniform in order to be a Boy Scout." Being a Boy Scout, at the simplest level, is attending Troop meetings, nothing more. A boy could join a Troop and never advance, never attend a campout, never attend summer camp or any other activity, and they are still a Boy Scout. The policy does not state a uniform cannot be required for some activities. It only states a uniform is not required to be a Boy Scout. Here is another example for you. The BSA does not r