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Beavah, Gee, I found it sad that a "scientist" would include such incredulous predictions in a scientific report (which is being passed off as FACT) without doing ANY fact checking on his own! But I guess when the IPCC asks a scientist who admits he doesn't know much about glaciers, to author that part of the report, we shouldn't expect too much, should we. I am curious, though. Was the "glacier expert" not available the day the report was written, or would such an expert not write the fiction the IPCC needed in order to push their agenda?

So, BadenP, you don't have any problem with the garbage that is being passed off as science, just with the fact that it was reported, or who is was reported by? Interesting.

World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1 Turns out the "research" that proved all those Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035 was pure hogwash! And the IPCC author in charge of the section on glaciers admits he knows little about glaciers! Yeah, let's trust the "experts!" "Some scientists have questioned how the IPCC could have allowed such a mistake into print. Perhaps the most likely reason was lack of expertise. Lal himself admits he knows little about glaciers. "I am not an expert on glaciers.and I have not visited the region so I have to rely on credible published research. The comments in the WWF report were made by a respected Indian scientist and it was reasonable to assume he knew what he was talking about," he said. Unfortunately for the IPCC, the remarks from that "respected Indian scientist" were "speculative," and not based on any real research. Not only were they speculative, they were ridiculous! Yep, nothing but a pure HOAX! But, let's spend billions of dollars to fix a problem that doesn't exist. If that wasn't good enough, here is more: "Last week another row broke out when the Met Office criticised suggestions that sea levels were likely to rise 1.9m by 2100, suggesting much lower increases were likely." Question for those AGW believers - is the science still settled?? If so, based on what??

Tracking MB was called Stalker when it came out in 1911. My, how our language changes with the times...

Signaling, Tracking, Pathfinding, Carpentry http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2010/01/historical-merit-badges-help-boy-scouts-celebrate-scoutings-past.html "A merit badge called Computers would sound just a crazy to a 1910 Boy Scout as a merit badge called Tracking sounds to Scouts today. Thats because the BSAs list of available merit badges has evolved through the years as the interests of boys have changed. In honor of the BSAs 100th Anniversary, though, todays generation of Scouts will get the unique opportunity to experience some of the activities their predecessors enjoyed. Thats possible thanks to the BSAs new Historical Merit Badge Program, a set of four discontinued merit badges that todays Scouts can earn. Sounds like a blast, right? But theres one catch: Boys must start and finish all requirements within the year 2010. So if your guys built furniture for their patrol kitchen at last years summer camp, they cant use that product for the Carpentry merit badge. And dont delayafter Dec. 31, 2010, these merit badges will go back on the retired list.

GAHB and vol, I determined long ago that discussing Scouting with Merlyn is the equivalent of casting pearls before swine. He probably counts as a victory taking any time you spend arguing with him, instead of using that time for the benefit of Scouting.

Beavah has a history of poo-pooing any anti-AGW scientist we mention, saying they aren't qualified to speak on the subject since they aren't true climatologists. So, I asked him to identify the "real scientists" on the IPCC and their areas of expertise. Of course, I haven't seen any attempt at a reply. Being that a Scout is helpful, I will give Beavah a hand with two lead authors for the IPCC - Dr. Steven Running and Gary Yohe. What are their areas of expertise? Dr. Steven Running ia a professor of ecology at the University of Montana. Gary Yohe is an environmental economist at Wesleayn University. If environmental economists and ecology professors are the lead authors, one can only wonder who the rank-and-file members are?

The AGW crowd must have gone after Latif with a red hot poker! Funny, that Guardian article didn't dispute any quote that was attributed to him, such as: A significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th Century was due to these cycles perhaps as much as 50 per cent. 'They have now gone into reverse, so winters like this one will become much more likely. Summers will also probably be cooler, and all this may well last two decades or longer. The extreme retreats that we have seen in glaciers and sea ice will come to a halt. For the time being, global warming has paused, and there may well be some cooling. Prof Tsonis, who agrees with Latif, said: 'They amount to massive rearrangements in the dominant patterns of the weather, he said yesterday, and their shifts explain all the major changes in world temperatures during the 20th and 21st Centuries. 'We have such a change now and can therefore expect 20 or 30 years of cooler temperatures. Prof Tsonis said that the period from 1915 to 1940 saw a strong warm mode, reflected in rising temperatures. But in all of this, my favorite is a line from BEAVAH'S Guardian article (more neo-con echo chamber?): "Other scientists have questioned the strength of the ocean effect on overall temperature and disagree that global warming will show the predicted pause." Gee, and I thought the science was settled?!?!

Wow! I never knew that UN IPCC scientists were part of the neocon echo chamber! Who woulda thunk it? Now I'm confused - is that a good or bad thing? mmhardy, that is one scary graph. A whole 6" in 100 years! (if the data is accurate) We better start relocating Florida to Nebraska, quick! We've only got about 600 years!

Meanwhile.... New Jersey Senate defeats gay marriage bill. Whodda thunk it? "Five states currently allow same sex marriage, while thirty have rejected similar measures in referendum votes. The state senate in neighboring New York, where many New Jersey residents work, rejected a gay marriage bill 38 to 24 in December."

"All I know is that what the science is sayin' matches my experience. The snow lines are further north, the glaciers I remember as a lad out west are much smaller, forests I loved are now experiencin' blights from warm-weather insects that never used to be able to survive a winter." Kind of reminds me about the robins in the arctic. "Mosquitoes are finding their way to the Arctic Circle. And robins are being sighted in Canada's Northwest Territories. Scientists believe the presence of species, not previously seen in the region, is only one of the effects of climate change. No Word For Robin: Climate Change In The Canadian Arctic examines some of the social and environmental consequences of climate change in Canada's Northwest. Roger Kuptana, a bird enthusiast, spotted a red-breasted robin. He says: 'I don't know if there's a word in Sachs Harbour for robin. They're so rare here, we don't have names for them.' The Inuit language for 10,000 years never had a word for robin, and now there are robins all over their villages. The Inuit also speak of the thawing of permafrost, permanently frozen ground. They say warm temperatures are enabling new species, such as robins, barn swallows and salmon, to adapt to their habitat. 'In a report published by IISD, Rosemarie Kuptana, Sachs Harbour resident and former president of the Inuit Circumpolar Conference, explains the significance of using the aboriginal perspective in understanding climate change in the Banks Island. She says: Traditional Inuit knowledge about the world around us like the weather, the animals, the migration patterns, the changes that we've seen this is the knowledge that has been accumulated over many, many centuries. It's oral tradition: it's scientific knowledge. It's our scientific knowledge.' " Problem with the story (and their "scientific knowledge"): My Life with the Eskimo by V. Stefansson published in 1913 gives a description of where robins have been sighted in the Canadian Arctic prior (obviously) to 1913, including along the far northern coast. Accompanying these location descriptions are the word for robin in several other Eskimo tongues, including (phonetically) Kre-ku-aktu-yok (Mackenzie Eskimo) and Shabwak (Alaskan Eskimo). I could make the same observations here in Georgia about kudzu, coyotes and armadillos. Am I seeing them because of AGW? No. There are so many variables affecting climate, it is silly to think that just one miniscule part of the atmosphere will control it. The only thing sillier is the arrogance of man, thinking he has solved the equation for earth's climate, and that he can control it.

What's one of the worst statements that can be made about a Troop?: "What does it take to get kicked out of that Troop?" I guess I would be more concerned about the reputation of the Troop than your current SM. The reputation of the Troop is just like the reputation of an individual - it takes years to establish, and only minutes to destroy. When Scouts are leaving a Troop because of the bad behavior of a few, it is time to take action. I don't know that I would start out with full dismissal, but would probably look at suspension for a time period, with a clear description of the inappropriate behavior that needs to be corrected. Bring them back in under a probationary period, during which time they must show improvement or they are dismissed.

BSA's focus should be quality over quantity. Tell leaders they have to be trained to go on outings. Be sure to recognize and thank the leaders who do complete the training.

NJ, I guess only you have the ability to predict the future? I don't know of any Scout Troop that operates as an entity to itself. Whether at Camporees or other district or council events, or at summer camp, Troops interact with one another. Are the council camps going to get into the situation where they allow or don't allow gay Scouts to serve on staff? Will they make that decision a public announcement? What about for every other activity or training event they offer? This would be a very large can of worms. I think many COs would find another organization to support instead of that new version of Scouting.

First, they want us to eat our pets. Now, Build-A-Bear gets smacked down for trying to scare kids with AGW horror stories. http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/23/christmas-back-on-build-a-bear-surrenders-and-pulls-alarmist-videos/ From the Build-A-Bear online Christmas video: Girl Elf: Santa, its gone! Papa Elf: Its gone, Its gone! Santa: Whats gone? Girl Elf: Tell em, Dad! Papa Elf: The North Peak. Santa: A mountain? A mountains gone? How is that possible? Ella the polar bear: Santa, sir, thats why Im here. Thats why were here. The ice is melting! Santa: Yes, my dear, we know, the climate is changing. Theres bound to be a little melting. Ella: Its worse than that, Santa, a lot worse! At the rate its melting, the North Pole will be gone by Christmas! Santa: My, myall of this gone by next Christmas? I dont think so. Ella: No sir, not next Christmas, this Christmas! The day after tomorrow! After this made the news (not the liberal MSM, just more "partisan blog hacksters", right Beavah?) it spread quickly and boycotts were announced. Build-A-Bear CEO and founder Maxine Clark couldn't understand why, but knew bad publicity when she saw it - the vidoes were pulled and she issued a letter. They didn't mean to scare the kids, they just wanted them to be inspired to "make a difference in their own individual ways." Isn't that special.

pack, Sorry about the Kool-aid/Flavor Aid. I'll try to remember. This whole AGW subject remindes me of the "esteemed" Emory History Professor Michael Bellesiles and his Bancroft Award (from the esteemed Columbia University) winning book, Arming America: the Origins of a National Gun Culture. When challenged on the data, he couldn't produce it (it burned in a court house fire that happened at the wrong time, his office flooded, his dog ate it, etc.). This is what happens when the outcome is determined before the investigation begins. These AGW scientists sure are hiding a lot of data, and deleting an awful lot of email, considering "the science is settled."

"partisan blog hackesters"? Beavah, your true colors are really showing. Matt Drudge fits your description as well, no? (that would be the same Matt Drudge that broke the Lewinsky story) I believe it was also "partisan blog hackesters" that exposed the phony letters that ended Dan Rather's career. Your obvious disdain for the new media does not make it irrelevant. Do me a favor - how about tell us all how the IPCC scientists were selected. And then how about identify those from the US, and their areas of expertise. I'm sure we are all going to be impressed with their credentials. I'm waiting. Merlyn, The story that Bernie Madoff was a financial genius was a HOAX. He did not need thousands of conspirators to pull this off. He only needed a bunch of BELIEVERS. That is what AGW has - Jim Jones (aka Al Gore) and his kool-aid drinkers.

We are going to try some of the Crew equipment we used at Northern Tier in 2010, and see how it goes for a patrol. This consists of two Coleman Exponent stoves with a folding-leg grill/grate. We also used a smaller tarp, around 8x10 or 10x10. We have lanterns, and use them for car-camping; they come in handy for lighting around the campfire for the entertainment program. We'll continue to work on going smaller and lighter, as well.

HICO, American Red Cross still teaches 30 & 2. I have heard some organizations are teaching the "European" method of chest compressions only, but we (AMR) still teach rescue breathing as part of CPR. I think the BSA could learn something about training from AMR. Instruction is now mostly provided with DVD's (standardization of instruction, quality control) and instructors are there to observe and correct technique, and answer questions. This method couldn't be used for every part of every course, but could be used in some areas.

More lunacy from the liberals... Hey Eamonn, get ready to eat your dog. Polluting pets: the devastating impact of man's best friend http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood Man's best friend could be one of the environment's worst enemies, according to a new study which says the carbon pawprint of a pet dog is more than double that of a gas-guzzling sports utility vehicle. But the revelation in the book "Time to Eat the Dog: The Real Guide to Sustainable Living" by New Zealanders Robert and Brenda Vale has angered pet owners who feel they are being singled out as troublemakers. But the best way of compensating for that paw or clawprint is to make sure your animal is dual purpose, the Vales urge. Get a hen, which offsets its impact by laying edible eggs, or a rabbit, prepared to make the ultimate environmental sacrifice by ending up on the dinner table. "Rabbits are good, provided you eat them," said Robert Vale. *************************************************************** OK, all you AGW believers - let's hear the recipes you are using to cook up ol' Spot or Garfield. This is your chance to save the planet! I'm sure we will see Al Gore leading on this, just as he does with the rest of his lifestyle.

Beavah, Keep diggin', that hole only gets deeper. There are lots of variables regarding high school graduation rates (though probably not as many as there are re: the climate). I suggest reading http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_baeo.htm . Please tell me how the high school graduation rate affects my opinion (or GHB's) on AGW just because we are from Georgia. Last time I checked, we had some of the top institutions of higher learning located here (Georgia Institute of Technology, Emory). I had a lot of fraternity brothers at Tech from the northeast. They could have gone to MIT but chose GT, instead. But, alas, none of this matters; your prejudices are set.

I am a skepticGlobal warming has become a new religion. - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever. Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly.As a scientist I remain skeptical. - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years. Warming fears are the worst scientific scandal in the historyWhen people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists. - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist. The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesnt listen to others. It doesnt have open minds I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists, - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet. The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity. - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who dont buy into anthropogenic global warming. - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA. Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will. . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ. After reading [uN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet. - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review. For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden. Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic campClimate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact. - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee. Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined. - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh. Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsenseThe present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning. - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles. CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another.Every scientist knows this, but it doesnt pay to say soGlobal warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the drivers seat and developing nations walking barefoot. - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan. The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds. - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. Science by consensus? Yeah, right.

Put this in your intellectual pipe and smoke it.

Beavah, Thanks for continuing to throw around those stereotypes. Nice to know where you stand. Here's a little news flash for ya. The REAL intellectual elites think YOU are just as much of a dumb-bumpkin, anti-intellectual idiot as you think us Southerners are. Why? Because you believe in a supernatural being. Anyone with a REAL brain wouldn't believe in such nonsense. So, how do those shoes fit? Of course, if you are like me, you really don't give rat's behind what some snot-nosed, liberal "elitist" thinks about you, anyway. If AGW is correct, and the world collapses, those elitists won't have a chance. Remember, us country boys can survive.

I think that this has been stated in different words, but someone with a strong vision, and the ability to articulate that vision. If I understand a leader's vision for the organization, then I can usually make sense of their actions - do they support that vision, or not? In a volunteer organization, the volunteers need to understand the direction they are heading, and what steps need to be completed along the path. Without that kind of communication and understanding with and among the volunteers, the entire organization will never get beyond Storming, and chaos. Hopefully, we will have that strong vision with our new SE.