OldGreyEagle

I thought I was going crazy, But I did ask at my local boy scout store, Allentown, PAabout those bumper stickers. The Philadelphia (Valley Forge) COuncil had some printed up as well They are out there

Another thought that has had great success in our troop is for the younger boys to buy "womens" backpacks. They are designed for smaller shoulders and have smaller waist belts and I think what you are thinking, they do not all come in pink or magenta. On most of them there are no "female" markers and this may be an alternative.

Mr Eisley, Those bumperstickers may be found in Scout Shops. I travel quite a bit and freqently see them. I always try to stop in the local scout store when I travel to get the council strip and AO flap if possible.

Dang Merl, I thought that agreeing with you would elicit some kind of positive response, even if I admitted it grudgingly. I think I am agreeing with you, if the courts rule public schools cant charter scout units then they cant. I thought I was pretty clear about that, but being such an idiot, maybe I wasnt lucid enough

Well, Just to make this discussion livlier, I would like all of us to consider the Venture Oath As a Venturer, I believe that America's strength lies in our trust in God and in the courage, strength, and traditions of our people. I will, therefore, be faithful in my religious duties and will maintain a personal sense of honor in my own life. I will treasure my American heritage and will do all I can to preserve and enrich it. I will recognize the dignity and worth of all humanity and will use fair play and goodwill in my daily life. I will acquire the Venturing attitude that seeks truth

Then why not just say so And I agree, If Boy Scouts have qualifications that public schools cant meet, then as I have said before, other private institutions have to be found. ::extending a hand in friendship:: Are we agreed?

Thank you JM, I appreciate your comment But what? I have asked quite a few questions of Merl and his keyboard has grown uncharacteristically silent. What do you hope to gain from this posting Merl, and have you accomplshed it as yet? If you wish to point out that if BSA needs to stop using public buildings, then say so and if I understand my fellow scouters they understand that as well. If we dont like it, we may yelp but we will understand and follow it.

First, I do not agree that Boy Scout's require Chartering Institutions to discriminate, we do require our members to have certain qualifications as I have pointed out all along. If you choose to call those qualifications discrimination, that is your right under the First Amendment as is your right to call me an idiot. I have been insulted worse by better. As I alluded to before, if communities want the program, then chartering organizaitons will be found. And for someone who disects all the other replies, why no comments over why so many people who aver disgust for the Boy Scou

Well, Well, Well, What I have wrought... I answered this thread only to see what type of reactions I would get and I must say I feel a little like the original atomic physicists working at the University of Chicago under Stagg Field. I knew I would create a chain-reaction, I just didn't know how big it would get. I am amazed. First a thank-you to my fellow scouters who did not reference my "outrageous" second entry. At least I dont think any scouter referenced the comment which was exaggerated to the wildest extreme to make a point. That point may have been lost in the many com

Sure, The Boy Scouts should drop the 10,000 units Public Schools charter since Public Schools CANT discriminate. Of course, that means no discrimination of any kind about anything. Convicted sex offenders, you cant be held out of a teaching job just say your religion required you to do the offense of which you were convicted, boys, sign up for the girls softball team after all, since in your religion all persons are created equal and we cant discriminate. Everybody on the football team HAS to play the same amount of minutes, cant discriminate based on talent, the same in all team sports becaus

OK, I have watched this posting for awhile and no takers. So, rushing in where angels fear to tread, I ask the begged for question, what is the "honest" thing to do?

try this address http://www.bsa.scouting.org/forms/ IT should work out, except its PDF format, I wish I could find forms that let me type into too

This seems to be topic getting a lot of play in our council. Some Districts have banned the use of camo clothing on scouting events. I think that's absurd, but then again I could be wrong. I would like to know what others think about it. Usually camo is good sturdy outdoor clothing that goes on sale after hunting season. Usually going to half price or less. Is there anything wrong with allowing camo on a campout?

Oh, no offense taken. After all the 13th point of the scouters law is to have a sense of humor,

hey jm, be kind with the grandpa stuff, I am not known as OldGreyEagle for no reason. I used to think when my son talked about a certain blonde rapper, the guy took his name from a popular candy, I mean is not his name M & M's?

Ok, I need advice from you cold weather experts. In the February issure of Boy Life there is an article about winter clothing. On a diagram of how to dress a few lines are given to the benefits of wool trousers. When I went to my local Eastern Mountin Sports store looking for wool pants I was told nobody really wears them anymore. That polypropolene has made wool pants yesterday's news. What do you guys think? Whats the best winter clothing combination, talk faster, Klondike is Saturday...

Thank-you Uncle Bob, I was watching this thread with mixed horror and intimadation. I have bought a few tents over the past few years, and have bought them at Wal-Mart. Most were under $40.00 and some much less on sale. They have held up well with an average of 2 nights a month camping. I am not sure everyone can afford a two man tent for over $100.00 and its nice to know other scouts are as "thrifty" minded as I am

Mr Eisely, You seem to be very informed on this issue, as you have stated you post these items to let others know what is going on, etc. Does national have a response to all these items? I think I saw a reponse that while there were little "brush fires" nothing of concern was happening, yet week by week more and more fires break out. Where do you think this is heading? What will be the resolution or at least long term effects, I would like to hear yout opinions.

Per normal, we are ranging far afield on this one, but its a conversation well worth it. This is not an original thought, but I dont know where I heard it. America has always had guns, America has always had kids, but until very recently, America didnt have kids taking guns to school to shoot others. What changed? The role models kids had to follow. Can we blame the entertainment industry? Perhaps they contribute, but does anyone remember when the network NBC stood for Nothing But Cowboys? And every week James Arness as Matt Dillon opened the show with a deadly shoot out. Then ther

Well, Ok Mr Eisley, you got me. Moral decline may be traced back a whole lot further than Watergate. And While President Clinton is not any sort of role model for any one who suscribes to even half of the scout law, I cannot see him blamed for the state the country is in. He definitely profited from the current culture. Whats the answer? To stand up for our values, to take the flack when it is fired. We dont want homosexuals in? Then we must be able to deflect the attacks and not wonder why they cant understand that we are just "nice guys" who dont beleive the same way they do. We m

The moral decline of the last 8 years??? Funny, the moral decline for me started with the Watergate Investigation. When a sitting president tried to cover-up the illeagal activites of his employess. Then again, when a president tried to swop arms for hostages and had his trusted aide, you know, Oliie North lie under oath to Congress because he knew he was right. Then again in the GO-GO 80's, we got the anti-hero on DALLAS, Larry Hagman playing JR EWING and his ends justifies the means of getting rich and power. The last 8 years have been rift of scandal, no doubt about it

In our venture crew we have girls and boys and cant seem to get really going. With band taking up most of the fall and then with plays and other activities, it seems Ventures are an afterthought rather than a main activity. The training tapes show a crew that has youth 19-21 leading and we dont have any of those types, 16 is the oldest. So, should we control the program more? Or let the kids run it?

Actually I cant beleive this, 2 items on scout history, although this one is in an entirely different vein. Does anybody have any information on an early scouting executive named Edmund Hesser. He lived in or around Syracuse, New York. I am trying to help a collegue track down some family history.

In this world I keep telling myself nothing should surprise me, yet once again I have a shocker!!!! A scout past First Class, Eagle Board of review eligible no less, who has no concept of the history of Boy Scouts????? My first reaction was, Gee, must not have read the history section of the Scout Handbook and then did'nt anyone ever tell the story of the Unknown Boy Scout who helped Boyce that foggy night in London? I am not sure a merit badge is required, but not to know ones roots is a shame that must be borne not only by the scout, but also the troop for not talking about the unk

The VINDICATIVE ACLU????? Returning in kind what we receive from those who persecute us because they dont understand us accomplishes nothing but ratify that we are bigots. When the court case was taken to the Supreme Court and the ruling was given, what did you think was gonna happen? It is easy to lead in good and prosperous times, it is when we are sorely tested that we show what we stand for, and who we are. Calling for the downfall of what we proclaim to be a vindicative organization shows us to be mean and low