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Scouting and unfortunately my cell phone, seconds as a beeper, just cannot find a dead zone yis

If by youth lead are there youth chieftains and tribal council, no. Scouts who stay active past 18 can become tribal council due to the time it takes to earn the paint stations to get to tribal council. Runner and higher paint ages are normally 16 yrs old and older once again due to the time it takes to earn these paints. MOS keeps both youth and adults active and interested in scouting. Camp Geigers staff is almost all either Eagle Rank or so close they can smell it. And it is not done for the pay which is very low. Prospective memebers are nominated by both youth and adult. yis

Welcome to the campfire manto. As a scout in the 60 and 70s I never heard of OA. Mic-o-Say was the honor camping society in Kansas City and St. Joseph, Mo. Few of the members of MOS that I know are also OA and they are mostly from outside the area and moved to either KC or St. Joe. MOS has a very high retention rate of the older scouts who wish to advance in MOS. As a youth I earned my Warrior Rank and eventually earned my runner paint responsibilities. In the troop that I am with now several of our older scouts stay active after earning their Eagle so that they can advance in MOS and that is a resource that we are happy to have. Many adults in MOS stay active long after their sons have moved on and that is a great rescource to have. At ceremony you can see new Braves (13-14 yr old )and members of the Tribal Council (60s 70s 80s). Some of the members tribal names indicate 3rd and 4th generation participation. I was proud to have two sons join scouting and eventually MOS. I participated in ceremonies as an Adult Runner working with joining adults and was honored to watch my sons advance to Eagle and Runner. 'nough soap box. If you have more questions please let me know and I will sure try to answer them. Adult Runner Tall White Buffalo Guard yis

Aye, Aye Capn (knuckle to forehead), will that be a simple floggin or kissin the Iron Maiden? Request allowance to check with the ships Doctor and get my spectacles looked at. Bold type is sometimes to hard to see. I do try to avoid the keelhaulin in the waters we travel in these days. There be shark in the water. With your premission Capn I'll be on my way to the top of the main mast to begin my punishment. fair winds and clear seas.. yis

ARRGGHGHHH! Sorry, had to get that out. Just a fleeting thought on this very.... strange thread. I believe that the Guide to Safe Scouting is just that a Guide. It is not the absolute, without question, endall document to list all activities that might occur throughout the 5o states of America that might occur during scouting events and detail in great confusion which is allowed or not allowed. I took it as a set of guidelines that normal, common sense endowed people could use to GUIDE their scouting experience. That said.... anyone read any good books recently? yis

We are on our third trailer in 10 yrs, keep outgrowing them. I do not know the name but will get it next time I go by the church. Makes a great storage area and allows a little more versatility when camping. Having a trailer has not slowed down our backpacking treks or increased our car camping. Just another resource for us to use. The interior has been modified to suit our needs with shelfs and storage areas for patrol boxes, tents, flys, and all the other 'stuff' a troop collects. We got logos painted on the sides and back at cost from a fellow scouter and it looks great. yis

Yah, Bob, it is cool to watch the concotions that the scout that forgot his stuff ends up eating. Only the young can survive it. Although seldom are the scouts bringing their own food for the major meals. That food is planned, bought and brought by each patrol. Backpacking and hobo meals are planned occasionaly also. Hobo meals are cooked only using tin cans and are getting almost as good as the ones done with the cast iron. The scouts can get quite imaginative. Some of these are done by each indiviual and some are done as a patrol. yis

Paperware and disposable cooking pouches, etc. are not an issue here. We just do not do it, has been that way for 10 yrs or so. If a scout 'forgets' to bring what is needed to eat, he usually gets my frisbee and a fork to eat with. Hopefully his patrol is cooking something that is compatible with that. Often his patrol ponies up enough things for the scout to eat with tho. That means that the borrowing scout has to do extra on clean up. Forgetfullness drops off dramatically then. Cooking is a challenge event for our patrols, each overnight the patrols compete for the coveted Golden Skillet. This is awarded by the SPL and or the ASPL who monitors the cooking preperations, by taste tests, and patrol methods. Competition can get quite intense. At times a patrol will challenge the adults, that can be a hoot. Cast iron, utensiless, survival cooking is the norm for us. The boys enjoy it and do not know there is any other way to do it. yis

As they say the game is afoot. Interesting that the tribe turned to the scouter to make the fire. However the map skills slipped a bit. Also enjoyed the tribal council comment that 11 years as SM has taught her patience. Has to have patience around children.... double meaning? Seems that the scout uniform is holding up well so far, have to see if it continues. Just thoughts yis

right handed for everything except shooting rifles,shoot left and right, better left yis

Thank you. I will be having one of my sons read this. thanks again yis

I would like to include the Boundary Waters in Canada. But set up with varying degress of difficulty for the different age groups type of campers. That would be just about perfect. yis

Welcome to the campfire. That is one of the nicknames we call this forum. Problem with the language should be no problem here, just ask your questions or post your comments I am sure we will understand. Practice with us all you want. If you have problems with understanding what is posted ask for more information. Glad you are here. yis (yours in scouting)

To answer your second and third questions. I was a scout as a youth and have two sons. Scouting was a natural fit. I stayed interested in scouting for what it did for me as a youth and wished my sons to experience the opportunities that scouting offered them. Both sons are now Eagles and I stay active with the troop to help the scouts that are now involved have the best experience possible and learn things that are not taught anywhere else. Camping, cooking, knots, survival skills are whatI do best ( not that I am good at it but enjoy teaching the skills). Religion had no bearing in me being involved in scouting. Scouting was the reason. yis

CRANEACE, to quote AKeagle "hehe", welcome to the campfire. Please try to understand that is not a forum as seen in other locations on the net. This is a discussion conducted as we would normally around a campfire. Sure it gets intense sometimes, but what the hey. Some of these discussions would not happen as they do here as they would around a campfire. It is a place where scouters and scouts can vent, discuss, argue, and bond with others. By the way, thanks for telling us who WE and US are. Clarifies much and thanks again. Back to your intial idea for this campfire, I guess I could say I was an Agnostic Druid, but that would not be true. I keep my own peace and believe in some sort of higher power that may or may not be difined by current religions. The world is wide and varied and who is to say someone else might have the 'key'? Years ago there was a story where a religious group bought a very powerful computer to list the 9 million (billion?) names of God. When it was done..... the stars winked out. Who knew? Diplomacy like honey usually gets you where you want to go and what you want to know. Flat statements usually causes hackles to rise and defenses to go up. If you really want to know what we are all about 'sneak' up on us and enjoy the results. We really do like freeform discussions. yis

Oh, my, my, my....have the teapot, saucer now where is that cup? Guess semantics needs to be added to politics and religion. Sorry for the levity, but I think a troop just IS and the members over the years that it exists have an ownership through responsibility for what is becomes or does during the time period that they are involved. Yes there is a scenario where someone can try to 'own' a troop and thereby claim the accolades for it. But from what I have seen that scenario is few and far between and usually short lived. The scouts are what are important and it is up to us to try to prevent the "My Troop" mentality in its worst conotation. At the same time understand that when I say my "my troop" it is only for the responsibility that I have during my tenure with it, for the boys that are there and the legacy that future boys are joining. yis

I would add those who get on the highway at 50 mph and do not know that the clutch is on the left, brake in the middle and the GAS is on the right. And those behind me in the left lane that do not make space to allow me to move over. Making me slow down to 45 to let the other yahoo on. yis

Mrs. Red Feather and I say call him and be sure to tell him what a hit he made with the girls. Happy banding. yis

Sorry ds, but I am still curious who 'we' are. 'They' must be wanting to hide something. Waiting. yis

ditto with packsaddle. I work with businesses that are blood drawing centers, the American Red Cross and Communtiy Blood Center in my area. They would love to have this kind of involvement since it is communtity service and a chance for the scout to be exposed to the world of such a service. They are exposed to gov't regulations, staffing requirements, and not the least the getting of how to advertise to get the volunteers to give blood. If what the project can give is greeters, cookie givers, or just the exposure that scouts are involved is great! It will bring out people that might not give otherwise and maybe establish a long term involvement. Depending on how the Project is written up and completed, yes most worthwhile. yis

Packaddle thank you for your post. Some ideas to ponder. To me the beliefs of an individual is just that the beliefes of the inividual. Each of us keeps our own peace. Whether it is to an esatblished belief or one that is not is established. I believe in an overbeing of some kind. (I keep My own peace) The world is too vast to deny the possibility of other beliefs. yis

Welcome to the campfire. Try a search for the 'ol geezers cook book' great stuff there. Maybe a listings of good web sites might be a uselful part of your project. yis

from what I have read, no doubt. Was a lowly foxman myself. Many moons ago. Welcome to come to Geiger, let me know if possible. I think you and your dad would enjoy the difference. I know I do, Adult Runner at Bartle now living in St. Joe. and part of the ceremonies up here. Welcome yis

As an Adult Runner in MOS (Camp Geiger), I wear a porcupine and deer tail head roach. Ribbon shirt, breast plate, leggings, possibles pouch, rattle. Optional things are coup stick (works also as bug swatter (horse hair on end)) For some ceremomies I carry a shield. Beading I do not do but admire those that do. Most of my costuming work is in leather, feathers and extra items that the scouts are looking into. Be glad to work with you on costuming. yis

Mine comes inspired by author Don Coldsmith and his stories about Native Americans. I took that inspiration and turned it into stories I told around campfires and still do when I go. Some years back I started giving out redfeathers that could be attached to the pockets of scouts and scouters in recognition of things that happened on overnights for actions that showed a lack of brain functions. Silly stuff like walking on a iced pond, setting ones shoes on fire, sitting on buckets that would not come apart afterwords, classic one was "put that fire out" (flaming branch) and the scout put it out by thowing it into the woods, etc etc etc. Best scouter one is the one that put hot dutch oven on his chair (looking for a dry place to put it) and watched it melt though. I wish I had kept a record of all that have been passed out and why, would be quite interesting reading. yis