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Or, you could go the direct route: "Mr. Chaplain, sir, my son did not sign up to be preached at every week. How 'bout this coming meeting you and I get a coffee and let's let the boys take charge? I have a few ideas I'd like to float by you." I usually need about five people telling me the same thing before I change my behavior. So, hopefully someone else has brought this up, and you'll be the bean that tips the kettle.

Hate to say it E92, but you were fed double-speak. I started on this Advisor's gig about 8 years into the program's inception, took VLST, which basically had the rhetoric you are repeating word-for-word. Then Bill Evan's came into town and made it quite clear that every crew should have venturers working on awards. I suspect folks (national and leading volunteers) were expecting more like 10-20% participation in the awards program. Participation below 1%, and membership declining faster than any division of the BSA, just screams "Fix me, please!"

abc123, What I'm trying to say with all of these discussions is that your Scoutmaster is probably an okay guy. There are a bunch of things that led to your credentials being overlooked, and as scouters we need to examine ourselves to be sensitive to other boys in our troops who may find themselves in the same situation. Is it unfair to you? Probably. Is it any one person's fault, probably not. So, now you know that you've met criteria. Unlike other scouts, you have a while to think about it between now and the next election. Keep doing right by the boys in your troop and any cubs who may cross-over between now and then, and you'll get the votes you need and your SM's approval. All you need to decide now is "is the O/A for me?", and you get to think about how much time you'll put into the order after your ordeal. You might even want to start saving some $$ to pay for dues etc ... Because you've had more time to prepare, you may get more out of lodge life. This is an advantage that a lot of arrowmen don't have. Let us know what you think and hopefully in a few months you can tell us how you've pulled the silver lining out of this cloud.

When our chapter's election team is operating at full strength with very disciplined boys, that can happen outside of summer camp. But with our rapidly expanding council and guys pulling double shifts to make ends meet, that's becoming hard to do. (I really hate being the guy who keeps ranting "It's the economy, stupid." But, as mentioned in the thread about membership. it seems like most families have actually become post-modern nomads.) It's increasingly hard to get the same people in the same place at different times (even if its the same day/hour one week later)!

As an "unofficial chaplain", this is completely the opposite of how I exercise that role. I touch base with the chaplain's aide and discuss how he would like to perform his duties. Would he like me to pick a scripture for him and the boys to read? Is he comfortable leading prayers? Or, would he like to just be the guy who goes around and selects volunteers for each part of the religious activity? What does he think are the religious obligations of a scout during troop activities? I would not ban push-ups outright, but ask him to pay attention to any boys who are intimidated by that sort of thing, and ask him to think through what is best for the troop. This is where a unit commissioner comes in handy. He has no "skin in the game", and over several coffees can often talk guys down from what ever high horse they've chosen to ride. Lacking a UC, this falls to the COR or CC and some are better than others about helping adults "make adjustments." (I know, because many CC's have tried to get me to make adjustments and it's been a rough road for them! )

Last year was only a 2% drop in youth membership (http://www.scouting.org/About/FactSheets/YearinReview.aspx), and mainly among cubs and venturers. Boy Scouts had only a .01% dip. We've lost a Jambo contingent of youth. We don't know which ones. It will be interesting to see the breakdown.

Does this mean a judge in CA can't council a Citizenship merit badge? Sounds like the statute is counter-productive.

This is, once again, why I prefer having elections at summer camp. We can review the requirements on day one. Announce the list of boys who we think are eligible that day. Then on day two, we can make any corrections necessary before the election committee comes into camp.

Ya know, if someone dumped this on my son, he'd call his patrol together and they would be camping on the next three consecutive weekends. Fact is, not camping for the next two months is unacceptable. I'll wager that half of his bad attitude comes from keeping cooped up all winter! If the camping requirements had been given to the boy when he earned Life, I would call this "borderline reasonable." Well, your son has two options. Cheerfully go camping (which honestly, I think he should do regardless) and wait out this storm, or call your council and ask how to file an appeal for a board of review without the scoutmaster's conference.

Thanks. (Although I get my greys from Lands End.)

We're feeling that, only in reverse. Crossovers are going to other new troops. I'm not counting those boys. Troop members have parents who absorb costs if they can, and we have managed to blunt the rise in cost through the troop treasury. I'm mainly focused on the crew, who are more pay-as-you go and membership dues 95% to pay for registration. I'm also concerned that 8th-10th grade boys who would have joined any of the troops in the neighborhood years back are not doing so.

If by profit, you mean: BSA funding more professionals so that they can promote the program the way everybody whines about them doing, I suppose you're right.

Do we have the break-down by program yet? Charters are coming in late, so I wouldn't be surprised if the stats get an adjustment by the May meeting. Smell the roses, people. I'm sure mine isn't the only unit whose membership would be 10% larger if the price of admission increased at no more than the pace of inflation.

Gotta ask. How many of you have a scout who goes without a POR for more than a month once he gets to 1st class? I understand boys may back off for sports season, but ours usually pick up another responsibility as soon as the season ends. Even before we had the crew, there were plenty of jobs to do. We NEVER worry about timing elections. EVER.

That'll be a relief to crew presidents who have trouble pronouncing "-urers".

Thanks. Pity this 64-bit machine did not come with speaker drivers!

Drop in on one of their activities. You hardly know anyone unless you've spent a night in the woods with them. If the SM asks, make it clear that your boys expected to sit in on a meeting, and that was not what happened.

'Bout twice a year seems to be the norm. Most boys are already in leadership by the time they make star, so their POR is jus a continuation of what they already are doing.

Try typing your post in a text editor, copying it, then pasting it into your post.

I tried my hardest to get a couple of boys to have their ECoH together in a panel discussion format. I'd put them, the SM, maybe a couple of junior ASMs in the "hot seats", and have the MoC collect questions from the audience.

SN, here's how this happens. 1. Some scouts never seem to be at service projects. 2. Some adults gets their undies in their bunch over it. 3. Some of those adults, instead of camping with those boys and maybe figuring out the kind of service they'd like to do, become administrators on advancement committees. 4. They get the idea in their heads that "hey we can use advancement to force boys to be better scouts." 5. Nobody told them how much all the bean counting can be come a drag on the program. 6. Someone asks for a rule. 7. Someone else makes it. 8. The rest of us have to live with it. 9. Some scouts just do the bare minimum service hours before going up for their next rank. 10. Repeat steps 2-8. Instead of "service hours", insert "recruitment", or "teaching other scouts" and you have half of the throw-away requirements in our current trail to eagle.

It's up to the scout, and therefore is often based on CoH's that he's already seen. I try to encourage scouts to think out-of-the-box, but most of our boys like an adult Master of Ceremony, a youth Sergeant at Arms, and a mixture of adult and youth participants. For a recent one, a boy's sister (also a Venturer) offered some special music. That was nice. Bottom line: Have fun, honor the Eagle, don't sweat the details.

Me neither. Sometimes I give advice based on how I've seen others accomplish a task, but the Sea Scout units I've seen in my area are fairly short lived. So, on the level of starting ships I will defer to other scouters. But, on a broader level, have you taken Venturing Leader Specific Training? This course covers starting crews in general and also outlines the Sea Scout program in the context of Venturing.

Well, with Boy Scouts an Venturing the ratio is 1:10 with a minimum of 2. But you have a point. I would suggest the SPL be responsible for collecting those signatures. Slots for boys don't open up until you have two adult slots filled. Then only open the number of slots for boys as the adults say they have numbers of seats. On a big-ticket adventures, slots are only opened when money is put down. If you bail, YOU DON'T GET BACK THE MONEY YOU PAID IN. You can sell your slot to somebody else -- presumably for what you paid, but that's none of the troop treasurer's business. If you don't sell your slot, you are at the mercy of the troop who may offer that slot to some discount so that the adventure moves forward. But, that all starts with accountability from the SM on down. Here, j649 is in the unenviable position of watching a train-wreck, feeling responsible, but having little time/$/energy to do much about it.