BDPT00

Bringing up a dead thread ... Why don't you just teach your Scout to teach? Just knowing a skill doesn't make one a teacher.

You've all heard it before, and skeptics call it too simple, but I'd give EDGE a try. It's simple so we can teach our Scouts how to teach.

Try it.

BDPT00

OK. I see it. I don't like it, and I think it's an error, but there it is in black and white. Thanks.

BDPT00

*** Don't know what you're quoting that from.

Here's a quote from the only Insignia Guide I have handy at the moment: "Female leaders wearing either the traditional yellow Cub Scout leader blouse, the optional tan leader blouse, or the Venturing blouse, may wear one temporary insignia centered above the BSA strip." The way I read this is that if they do, they may not also wear one on the pocket. "Only one such patch may be worn at a time."

And in case you happened to miss it .... "District insignia is not authorized for wear on the uniform."

BDPT00

God bless, every one!

Joy to the world!

BDPT00

Just curious ... why Varsity?

BDPT00

drmbear and ScoutBox,

If you don't know what the bull is for, there are plenty of people who can tell you. Don't guess.

You'll get a few differing answers, so you should even be cautious about that ... but don't guess.

BDPT00

Feel free to celebrate the light.

As for me and my house, we will be celebrating the Light.

Merry Christmas,

BDPT00

Very pleased to finally see the word "alumnus."

Alumni is plural.

Thanks, BDPT00

AK,

I sent an email. Let me know if you don't receive it.

BDPT00

Great shot, John.

Didn't have time to come up with anything better, so I went for the throat. Guess I missed the mark by going overboard, eh?

My point was intended to be that simply using the argument that, "It was the kid's idea, so what could I do?" doesn't always cut it with me. I've used the same tactic myself with my PLC and the troop committee, so I agree that it's often pretty effective. Intentionally going against the wishes (or the rules) set out by national or the council isn't something I think we should brag about. There are mixed messages we send to our Scouts. Sometimes it's that we're to be obedient, and other times it's that we can break the rules if and when we feel like it.

That was my point, agree or not. I'll try to stay away from the jugular.

BDPT0

*** And here I thought our job was to guide the PLC. That might include reminding them that a Scout is Obedient. What did you teach your Scouts? Perhaps next time they'll want a swastika on their shirts, claiming it's Native American. Will you guide them then, or "side with the PLC"?

BDPT00

*** Which is it? It's already been determined what is not too cluttered, so go with that.

There ... that was easy.

BDPT00

Just curious...

I know the values, and the Aims of the Boy Scouts are clearly stated. What's the latest word on what GSUSA stands for?

BDPT00

I was never a Cubmaster, and I don't own the book (if there is one). I've never heard of a CM's minute. Is it in the book?

BDPT00

It's absolutely local. I wouldn't assign the numbers reason to it. Keep asking though. Sounds like simple laziness to me.

BDPT00

I don't recall saying anything close to bigot or racist. Insensitive? I'll accept that.

And yes, we're agreeing to disagree.

BDPT00

I think our positions are quite clear, and we're 180 degrees from each other. That's fine. I choose to not offend people (has something to do with being friendly, courteous, and kind). Even then, it still happens on occasion. When it does, I do what I can to make it right. I guess it comes down to a matter of caring. I care.

BDPT00

DeanRx writes (and I don't see people disagreeing):

"Sorry, but anyone finding offense to the skit as portrayed by the OP would likey find something to **** about with ANY skit or song done. The guideline should be what MOST of the audience would find acceptable or offensive. The guideline should NEVER be, "Well, we shouldn't probably do this or that because it might offend one or two people...". That's PC run amok."

And who would these one or two people be? Someone who's deaf? Blind? Old? Fat? Short? How about female? Maybe Polish? Blond? How about a Webelos or Cub? Girl Scouts? Muslims? How about a Chinese or maybe Mexican accent? I don't know. I'm just curious whom you think it's OK to ignore in your audience. Don't worry, if there's only 2 or 3 women there, and the vast majority of the audience is male, I guess picking on women would be OK (as long as it's not some sexual thing, of course). Right? Or did I read this wrong? I'd just like an example of when it would be OK to offend someone in the audience (in the name of "it's all in good fun"). Boys will be boys, ya know.

Share an example or two, please.

BDPT00

If you have to ask if it's inapropriate, the answer will always be yes.

Skits with water, victims (knowing or not), "done in good fun," stuff in the face, etc are all off my list for appropriate.

BDPT00

** And to what are we referring here?

First there would need to be a crime. Then it would have to be committed. Then someone would need to be charged, and then convicted. Then we could revisit this pardon notion.

Anybody bothered to read the book yet?

BDPT00

*** Never seen such a thing. Hope I never do. I can't imagine it.

"Do what suits you. Wear what you like.

As long as it is correct and falls under uniform guidelines and meets uniform inspection...then who cares what anybody else says or thinks.

They don't like it, well...that speaks about them, not you."

*** Amen to that.

I happen to think they should follow those same standards, however. If they wear more or less, that's a totally personal choice. Wear what you like. Wear it properly. Get on with the show.

BDPT00

Just for the record, 4 or 5 times 3 doesn't quite equal 16 to 20. Trouble counting to 5? What I just read was that maybe 12 came out to 20.

I have a theory. Those critical of Silver Beaver selections have probably never read the requirements. Ever seen the form? If you know someone who qualifies, nominate them. It's the only way to affect the process.

BDPT00

Eagle92,

You know about training youth leaders. I'm sure you could handle the new material. I'd guess that one in ten (probably less) would be able to deal with TLT. It needs changing so that everyone can manage it. Right now, SMs are simply giving up on it, because it's too hard.

It'll get better. Tell you what ... I'll bet I could use EDGE to teach Scoutmasters how to use it.

BDPT00

And I think that's the point. But instead, everyone seems to just want to pull out the old one ... because it's easier.

I'd be the first to admit that the new one isn't written very well. It needs to be redone, and I hope that's happening. I've heard leaders say that when they've worked with it, the new one works very well. There's a tendancy to resist change, especially when it comes from national. Look at EDGE. It's a simple and effective way to teach kids how to teach. It's a good model for many adults who need a road map when putting together some sort of training for kids or other adults. BUT ... those who seem to know it all (and I'll put myself in that category sometimes) think they know a better way, and therefor attack the new material.

BDPT00