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Glad to see someone had the courage and know-how to use the new training material (it's not really new anymore). Yes, the old one is certainly easier(plug and play). The new one takes some thought and planning.

I guess I'll leave it at that.

BDPT00

Fellow Christians?!

Essence doesn't differ?

Slightly different???

Do night and day differ slightly?

BDPT00

Wait a minute, Bart.

On one hand, you're saying that BP's comment regarding tenure is misguided. On the other, you quote Charles commenting on the importance of tenure. It reminds me of "A Few Good Men." If tenure is not an issue (and BP is just blowing smoke), why did the lead dog have to write about it? Was it an issue, or wasn't it? Looks to me as if quoting Charles supports BP's position.

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My intent is not to cause a big argument. It's simply to point out that even those with lots of experience and confidence in forming their opinions may not agree with someone else with the same "credentials."

Respect, dignity, and honor can carry the day. Do a little research. Consider what works for you. Teach the boys how to do it. Explain why (Hey! Try EDGE). Get some practice. Then let 'em do it. I hope they make you proud.

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It's interesting to observe the vigor that goes into a discussion regarding a flag ceremony. I'll offer a fly for the ointment. I don't consider it to be a "color guard." It's a "flag detail." I also think, therefor, that all of the commands offered above using the term "color guard" are incorrect, no matter the source.

Discuss.

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Could. Might not.

A Scoutmaster, however, is a registered Scouter, member of the troop, hopefully trained, and knows his Scouts.

I hope you're not suggesting it's the same action.

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Yes. Several have said their understanding is that if you fail to complete WB, you're done and can't retake the course. I'm saying that's false.

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** Foolish. I wouldn't deny it's possible, but not if he were truthful when he registered. If you've conpleted Wood Badge, you don't do it again (current situation with different course, yes ... 6 times? No.).

It sounds like it's all about him (not the kind of guy who should be wearing 4 beads).

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False.

You don't honestly think BSA would prevent somebody from completing some training and also doing a ticket, do you?

BDPT00

And another baseless and worthless rumor. Absolutely untrue, even in your council.

You've gotta let this cult crap go.

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BadenP and I haven't see eye to eye on several occasions, but we're on the same page with this one. To hint in even the slightest way that LDS Scouting is the same as "regular" Scouting is ludicrous.

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Most unfortunate; particularly #5. Any staff member with that attitude would be out the door in this council, never to return. I hear what you're saying, and I've seen some of it myself. My regrets. I hope you'll give it another look in a different venue.

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It's very sad that somebody actually feels this way about Wood Badge. I see where he's coming from in a few of the listed items, but it's way off-base. Poorly run course? Poor leadership? Poor promotion? Bad attitude(s)? Could be any number of things, but I see this as very isolated. Could have been anything.

On the other hand ... I just finished reading some of the current LDS postings, and the cult description hits it right on the head. Where someone could point out maybe 3 or 4 items, and say how WB fits, LDS is easily in double digits.

Argue all you want ... it's my opinion, and I doubt it will change. OK, to be more honest, I know it won't change.

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Gary,

These are your words:

When the goal is to churn out Eagle Scout-missionaries, I'm not suprised at all. We have 8 Methods, and I suspect that several Methods take a back seat to advancement.

When the Webelos/1st year Scout thing was mentioned by Gary as "why not the best of both worlds," nobody bothered to ask how the kids are registered. If they're Webelos, they can't advance in Boy Scouts, and if they're Boy Scouts, it's too late to work on Arrow of Light. So what are they? Simple answer: LDS.

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Receiving a 3rd bead for staffing Wood Badge is understood, and it's been that way for decades. My question is specifically for PLC. I've seen bead requirements for NYLT, and I know that NAYLE was thrown in on that, too. When and how (mostly who) did the PLC become part of this arrangement? I'm interested in how it came about. Are there requirements out there somewhere, or did a course director just decide it was appropriate, and therefor awarded beads?

BDPT00

I suppose that if I were a Den Leader, I might be interested in this for my Cubs. I'm not, so I'm not.

I think Cubs and Webelos do far too many Boy Scout type things. For an 8 year old to work with a GPS will make him totally bored with a compass when he's 11. Archery, BBs, climbing towers, and now GPSs. Where's the carrot? How do we make summer camp sound exciting when they think they've already done everything we're describing?

Slow down!

BDPT00

I'm in BrentAllen's corner, and although he's disagreeing with Beavah, it's clear that they both understand teaching. Regarding Beavah's comments ... I agree that the focus needs to be on the learner, and the style needs to have some flex to it. It's the old Effective Teaching style (which I doubt most understand, and it's much more difficult to teach to a youngster). EDGE is very simple to teach to a young Scout. The notion that "teach a Scout how to tie a knot" is good enough is way off base. How does an eleven year old learn how to teach? You, as leaders, have now been given a simple tool to teach them how to teach. What a great tool for a kid to have in his leadership arsenal. Prior to the dreaded EDGE requirements, we didn't teach them how to teach. Now we do. What's the problem? Professional teachers spend a lot of time learning techniques for effective teaching. We now have a simple tool to help our young Scouts learn how to teach.

Can you think of a better and simpler way to teach them how to teach? Please share. EDGE is intentionally simple.

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Thank you.

Not long ago, while visitng camp, I saw a group of Scouts out on a hike. They were in a wide variety of military surplus gear, including pistol belts and various attachmants. They looked ridiculous, and they were certainly out "playing Army." I used to do that when I was pre-Scout age, and was very proud of my gear. I shudder to think what people perceive when this pseudo band of brothers walks into Burger King. I'd be embarassed when they found out they were Boy Scouts. What would the public think of our organization? For that reason, I'm against Boy Scouts wearing any military garb in public. Some of that equipment is good stuff (I'd sure hope so!), but not out in public.

Yes, I know it's none of my business what kids in other units wear. As for me and my unit, we will wear BSA uniforms.

BDPT00

Well, this should be fun. The general notion that comes from the discussions here is that people wear whatever they darn well please. Many times, I think writers looking for a nob from someone else write seeking approval or "permission" from an expert. Good luck on that one, too.

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My experience says that the girls aren't interested in doing anything like or with the Boy Scouts. They don't want to play. Just for the sake of argument ... do the Girl Scouts do anything to indicate that they don't hate men? There's an underlying agenda coming down from the top (the inside). What is it, and what does GSUSA stand for? Anything? How can we know?

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"I was told by a 40 year scouter, member of the National BSA Hall of Leadership, that it was okay to have any temp patch they like go in the jambo area of the uniform. His patch was a region OA patch above the right pocket."

*** The only thing significant (and unfortunate) about a 40 year Scouter doing such a thing is that he should know better. Too bad.

BDPT00

OK, let's try this (from Scoutneckers.com)

Gilwell Park was donated by Mr deBois Maclaren in 1919, to the Chief Scout of the World, Lord Baden Powell to be used as a camping ground for London Scouts. A permanent Training Camp for leaders became named after Gilwell, and today the word "Gilwell" has come to be used internationally as meaning adult training in Scouting.

Officially, the scarf is dove-grey on the outside and warm red on the inside. These colours are used to signify humility and warmth. The apex of the scarf has a small swatch of Maclaren Tartan, reminding us of the kind gesture made by Mr deBois Maclaren.

Sorry to hear about the class B beads. Not a good example for a staffer to model.

Never heard it called mauve before (even though somewhat accurate). Try Dove Gray.

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It is just an administrative thingy, and that's why there's a push to standardize them from region to region, and from year to year. In the recent past, each region had its own numbering system. This ultimately makes things more simple (for somebody).

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