BartHumphries

Some of the things that immediately struck me as different from the previous standards: Scouts can rappel on a single rope, with a fireman's belay. Pretty much everyone who's anyone has to have attended National Camping School for their job or have "equivalent skills". However, this "equivalent skills" is a real grey area. In some cases, it just means that you had to have been a Scoutmaster, or even just earned a merit badge once upon a time in that area. COPE/Climbing Directors are being grandfathered into the new system as the people that they were instructing (Level 2 instr

Because it's an adult going "You can survive a weekend (week) without your cell." Then the adult leader goes off and sits around with his cell? I don't think that's hypocrisy. Youth Scouting members don't usually have to pay electricity bills, rent/mortgages, etc. Adults do. While Scout camp may be a fun vacation for the youth, not every adult has the luxury of being able to completely take a whole week off and be completely out of reach. A youth can survive for a week without chatting to friends and browsing websites just for fun. Adults tend to be using cell phones for more "legiti

They are addressed in IOLS. IOLS is only a weekend, though, and some people are looking for a week-long outdoor skills session like the original Wood Badge.

That can't happen here now. Under the new standards it's mandatory to have a commissioner who's attended the commissioner section of National Camping School (or has "equivalent skills"). While the camp commissioner can be assigned other duties, meaning some other area director or someone can also be the commissioner, the camp director is not allowed to take on other duties. I guess, in the US, the camp director is not supposed to be easily accessible to campers.

I was at Philmont last week for a Wilderness First Aid Train the Trainer class. Every time I tried to connect, it said that the site was blocked. Well, it didn't say that so much as redirect to a cgi.block or whatever and say that the site was unavailable. Was that this site blocking the Philmont ID or was that Philmont blocking this site?(This message has been edited by BartHumphries)

I do believe the OP already answered those questions.

You know, I bet there'd be some interest in having various modules taught at Roundtable. I'll bring that up at my local Roundtable on the 6th. There wouldn't be any additional certification that people could earn, but people might be interested in getting more practice in knots, splicing, etc.

Let me preface this by saying that I was presuming that the Scout was really paying attention when he was doing the things required for his Arrow of Light, that he didn't just follow "Do Your Best", he actually did it and learned. So when the first aid requirements are looked at, it's not something new to the Scout. He knows how to perform hands-only CPR, he knows what to do if blood is spurting out of a person's arm because a ninja jumped out of the bushes and sliced a person up with a sword, and he knows how tight to make those bandages that he's wrapping around the arm over the pads. He

NCS training actually seems to be fairly uncommon among adults, which is why I posted it here; I thought most people wouldn't know about it.

I think a large part of breezing through Tenderfoot through First Class is really paying attention and learning as a Webelos. If you've never known how to tie knots, then it's going to take a few hours to tie the required knots. If you really learned in your Outdoorsman activity badge (required for the Arrow of Light), then you know how to tie a square knot, two half hitches and a taut-line hitch. You're halfway through the knot requirements. If you remember everything from this, then you're probably also on the cusp of the Firem'n Chit, so you'll meet the fire building requirements as

Great! He sounds like he's on his way now to the National Medal for Outdoor Achievement, which requires 125 days/nights of camping (amongst numerous other things), so keep on tracking/recording all the camping he does for the next few years until he's earned it. Then there's the Hornaday Award, the STEM Supernova award, the youth religious award, not to mention palms. In a couple years he should join Venturing and start going for his Venturing silver, Ranger, TRUST, Quest, then join Sea Scouts, earn his Quartermaster and do SEAL training. Don't forget NYTL, the Order of the Arrow, etc.

As much as people complain here, it's not "official" complaining unless the material has actually been returned to a Scout Shop.

It seems like NCS for Outdoor Skills Director is what you want -- a week-long outdoor-skills emphasizing program that is roughly local to you*. It's just the cost that you disagree with. Personally, I also disagree with that. *once a year (maybe twice) it's roughly local, although Wood Badge is also generally only local once or maybe twice a year NCS Outdoor Skills Lesson Plan Resource Manual: *Section Interviews Participant's interview sheet, asking what you expect to learn, etc.; personal resource questionnaire; outdoor skills questionnaire, a checklist asking what you've t

"It doesn't appear as though National Camp School teaches the outdoors skills that leaders need." They do. Outdoor Skills Director. One person said, It's not like Camp School has a curriculum titled "Scout Skills"... Another said, I don't even think that they have a training curricukum for them. Have you been listening to what I said, it's Outdoor Skills Director. There's a 20-minute online NCS training bit for "Scoutcraft" while the week-long training is for Outdoor Skills Director. Tell you what, on Monday I'll post the syllabus from the class.

When I access this site on my phone, every page throws up a, "Data connectivity problem; 400 Bad Request".

Yes, and to some it is a moral issue. I believe the point is that there could be a monetary issue for those who don't see it as a moral issue. Sorry typed on phone Edit: corrected spelling from the phone(This message has been edited by BartHumphries)

What were the outdoors skills that old Wood Badge taught? What're you looking for?

In another thread, someone said something like (and I'm paraphrasing here), "I wish there was a week-long outdoorsman type program that actually taught everything that Wood Badge used to teach because that's not what they teach now. I said, "There is, it's National Camping School for Outdoor Skills Directors." Then I was asked how much it cost and I thought I'd just spin off a new thread on the topic. So, National Camping School is found at http://www.ncsbsa.org/ They apparently don't have the 2013 dates up yet, but you can look at the 2012 brochure at https://www.ncsbsa.org/resources/

Even if the Methodists don't leave, that's still over a quarter of registered Scouts over the whole US if the LDS and Catholic units close up shop, and well over half of all Scouts in the Western region. Some of the boys might go find another troop somewhere, but most parents just go with the easy youth organization that's offered and most kids just go where their parents send them.

You can still go spend a week learning to be an outdoorsman, cooking your own food in an outpost camp, ropes, knots, splicing, totin' chip, all that fun stuff, the works. It's called National Camping School for Outdoor Skills Director.

"Why then does it not work the same way for society?" Free will. People are free to do their own crazy thing (and they do) while "natural" objects follow set natural laws. It's not rocket science.

That would explain why I've never received any alumni items. I actually think the website just isn't equipped to handle people who are already registered as volunteer Scouters and who already have a website profile but who then sign up as alumni. If I click the login heart-link in the alumni area after logging in with the website in general, it takes me straight to the "Thank You" page. Either that or I signed up before they got the form working that asks for payment information, back when the alumni section was first introduced, and slipped through a loophole. I honestly don't rememb

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ATV's fit with LNT -- the most important thing is that you must wait at least two full days after it rains before you can hit the trails again, or your tires are just going to rip the dirt road up.

Well, you're not going to be able to earn the award without working at least a little bit with your local council alumni committee, so contact your council, ask who's on the committee and how you'd talk with them, and how you can join. Then you're going to have to serve on that committee for one year. While you wait to get on the committee, with the permission of the committee chair and the Council Executive, you'll also have to do the following: -If you're not already a registered Scouter, pay $35 to become a registered alumni. -If you're an Eagle Scout, become a member of the Natio