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Not sure if this post belongs here or elsewhere.....I am the Day camp Director For a medium size day camp. This issue rises every year. I and the other directors are told by the head of day camp visitation teams that 'only range trained persons are allowed on the range'. No other adults (except for Tiger cub partners) are to be on range. It is stated in the shooting sports handbook that the 'range officer must be range certified' and then talks about 'adult helpers' and doesn't mention for them to be certified. In the 'Operational Accreditation' handbook that they use to score camp it states:

Not sure if this post belongs here or elsewhere.....I am the Day camp Director For a medium size day camp. This issue rises every year. I and the other directors are told by the head of day camp visitation teams that 'only range trained persons are allowed on the range'. No other adults (except for Tiger cub partners) are to be on range. It is stated in the shooting sports handbook that the 'range officer must be range certified' and then talks about 'adult helpers' and doesn't mention for them to be certified. In the 'Operational Accreditation' handbook that they use to score camp it states:

I would like to get your opinion on Cubmaster tenure. In Troops it is usually well received and common to have a Scoutmaster for 10, 15, even 20 years. I have been sharing my thoughts that packs could have the same type of tenure, but some have expressed 'concern' that it would not be a good situation for the pack to have a single Cubmaster for that long. The argument doesn't seem to center around the fact that most parents leave the pack when their boys do, but a fear of the Cubmaster setting up 'fiefdom'. My argument is that longevity brings stability, IF a strong and active

kittle, If you are looking for something on the web try www.scouttrack.com There is a yearly fee for using it, but it is pretty nice package. k

It's me, I think that your response was right on target. You let them know they will be missed, allowed boy to return with grace, and ended it gracefully. If he gets his school work under control I hope he returns. I know that if this was my son I would feel better about you and the den. It could not have been an easy decision to stop scouting, you validated their concerns and gave them the opportunity to come back!! Now.....on with your year!! k

jw_elder77 The leader that designed this pole will put it on our website within a week. You should be able to download it if you want. It cost him around $50 mostly for the rope, and weighs a lot less than a wooden pole.If you find some modifications work better please let us know so we can update ours as well. I'll contact you as soon as we get it up on site. Good Luck! k

Is this similar to what you are looking for? http://sstamm.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2534_1024.ts315547210000.jpg k

We are planning to utilize show and deliver this year and plan on having 2 adults with 4 scouts per vehicle. Question: Is a tour permit needed for this type of event? k

jkhny.....I think your original intent has been lost on popcorn vs. cookies, BSA vs GSA (GSUSA), 'my' facts vs. 'your' facts. I have lost a lot of respect for some of the senior members over their wailing on these trivial matters. Popcorn is good, cookies are good, BSA & GSUSA both have good but different programs, 'facts' (opinions) are like rear-ends everyone has one and they all stink except mine! I have felt the same fustration as you. The council in my area is adequate. There are a lot of areas that can use improvement. However, I am not at this time in a capacity that can adequa

At the comittee meeting we looked at other options such as the ones suggested here. The idea of theme related grub really took off! For September we kind of settled on the idea to have a cowboy bean 'snack' (a cup of beans and cornbread made in a dutch oven)as a way to end the day. A time of food & fellowship. Any other suggestions for Western snacks that are quick and easy? k

Seattle Pioneer- Were you burdened with taking the course or did you willingly attend? Reading into your other posts in many topics I would think you willingly went. And that is the true leader spirit. Wanting more for the pack means sometimes we must be burdened. Being a pack leader by definition is burdensome, but we do it out of love for the program and/or the boys. As far as the requirements, I feel the CM knot is fairly light on requirements. Take some training, hang around, run a decent program, and in two years here ya go!. Therefore I would add it with no deletion of other require

Good ideas. CM Fred- I like the theme idea. Does your pack follow BSA themes or your own? k

Scout Nut- thanks for the clarification on that matter. I guess I'm just a little over zealous on training. When I see 'recommended' I tend to think 'required'. Thanks. Funny that it IS required for the WDL knot!?

I'll disagree that BALOO is intended for 'non-leaders' only. IMHO, and the syllabus of our council, the information abounds that it is a requirement for any person who wishes to plan & lead an overnight cub scout campout. This usually by necessity includes, but is not limited to, the CM, ACM's, & maybe DL's. I realize only one person who is present must be BALOO trained. That is usually a pack leader by definition. If it is required for the WL knot, should it not also be required of at least the CM? Or do they consider that a part of the requirement of a weblos den is camping and

We have in the past met at 6 pm on Tuesdays. That was to let the kids get home early enough to do school night stuff. We are chartered by a small private school with only students in the pack. Several families live @ 20-30 minutes away. We will be meeting on Friday this year so a later start time may not be as bad, say around 7pm. I like the snack idea. Do you do them before or after pack meeting? k

Welcome Jon, Kick back and listen to the wise ones speak(not me!). Hey Semper watch out for the poisin ivy! Heck of a place to itch!! k

Welcome! Grab some coffee and dig into the cobbler! The fire is as good here as it is at CBT!! k

I applaud your efforts to maintain confidentiality in this matter, and your desire to not drive this kid out on a rail, but to encourage a change of behavior. As a surgical technician in a level 1 trauma center, I see to often the effects of a 'harmless drink'. Education can help deter drinking, but only a true desire to live the law (scout and state) will change this young mans desire for alcohol. Perhaps he could plan the troop's anti-substance abuse campaign, complete with speakers, press releases, steps to involve other scouts, etc. Use it to reach out to the schools in his com

Does anyone have any feelings on adding pack requirements to the adult leadership knots? I feel very strongly that a CC, CM, ACM, WL, and DL (any others?) should commit to BALOO/WLOT training. The program helps build better leaders by supplying skills and confidence to plan an overnighter. It builds better dens by allowing them to camp together (following approved protocol), better packs by adding more knowledgeable leaders to the mix. Im sure most would agree a better-trained leader is a better leader. However, Im just curious as to appropriateness of this adding of requirements.

Getting others to attend with you is very wise. If something were to happen to your only BALOO trained person the trip would be done. No trained person, no camp. Also allows for others to be on same page for planning event and for safety 'cops'. I am very fortunate that as a new CM, there are 7 BALOO or WLOT trained people in our pack of 20 boys. Talk about easy planning camping trips!! We are considering asking each den leader to take it as part of their commitment to the pack. I too feel it should be part of the requirements for knots. Not just CM though. Not our decision though, or is

Hello All! It's getting close to race time!!!! A quick question though. We have a committee member who has suggested that at pack meetings we have a dinner. Pizza, hot dogs, occasional potluck, etc. Thought being that it will help families with getting kids fed. It also may help get more to show up for the meeting. My concern as the CM is that it will add confusion to the meeting. Later starting times due to slow eaters, parents wanting to clean-up instead of watching, etc... Does anyone have experience with this idea, good or bad? k

Welcome! I am also new cubmaster for a pack started 2 years ago. Our first year we wanted everyone to wear their uniform, to build pride and respect for uniform. This year we added a 'class B' uniform for outdoor activities (hiking, camping, and working on service projects). msnowman is right, if they want to wear the uniforms,let them. You could encourage them even though they would be more comfortable in t-shirts. There is something about a boy in his uniform. I guess it all depends on comfort concerns and distance of hike. The shirts will hold up fine. Good luck!

Seed It is my understanding that the CC and CM as well as other leaders are always on the lookout and can suggest potential leaders. The CM can recommend these people to CC who then can make recommendation to COR before actual recruitment occurs. If CO agrees with choice recruitment can occur. If an application is already in hand, I understand it to be the pack committees responsibility to check references listed (any confirmation from others?). Bottom line: CC should want CM input, but final say lies in the hands of CO. This should only be a problem if there is a problem with candid

I figured out G2SS about an hour after I posted. Thanks! Lynda, that is where we are at in our discussion with him. No train = no boy contact. I prefer no training = no leadership position. We have been able to keep him from engaging in the activities that HE deems safe. We are not sure if there have been things that have not been noticed and stopped. Does BSA provide any type of liability insurance to CO? Does it cover COR, CC, CM or other pack leaders? Maybe I need to spin this thread off?

Thanks for your input on this matter. The COR, CC, and I agree that his days as a leader working directly with the boys are limited unless we see some clear signs of change. He will be reminded of the opportunity to take training and be on some sort of probation and/or offered a committee position, as Bob White suggested. He probably would not accept a committee position and it will be tough to get him trained. My concern is with him removing his son out of spite. It is not fair to the boy, but we must have some safety and order for the other kids. Im going to show my ignorance, (