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  1. The boys (and/or their parents) will eventually burn out from the fanatical extracurriculars - stay the course...keep offering a great outdoor program, advancement opportunities, exciting and productive meetings...and they will return. Be the rock in the hurricane. Run your program for those who come, not for those that don't. You can't do anything about the methods employed by other organizations. To mirror them with strict scouting attendance policies would only result in the boys making a final choice, which they should not have to do. Keep recruiting to sustain growth and achieve high
  2. Well, I think we pretty much beat this dead horse. Thanks for alleviating my Thanksgiving eve boredom. Dan, Fgoodwin, and ML2...thanks for playing and have a Great Thanksgiving. OGE...thanks for teeing this up. BW - when you return...please forward the List of Rules and Regulations of the BSA and my beloved Baltimore Area Council to me.
  3. I am just trying to get the list of the BSA's Rules and Regulations. If they cannot be provided then either they do not exist, or someone is not sharing. If you all are telling me that the rules and regulations of the BSA are imbedded in the millions pages of literature that the BSA produces about its Program, then I want to know why it has been made so difficult for someone that just wants to volunteer their time to help a boy.
  4. Go for it...examine it...understand it...shine the light on it...then what? There should be no surprises here. Scouting is just a small extension of society.
  5. Dan, Okay, I've got those books in front of me. Just those three, right? Not Climb on Safely booklet? Not Safe Swim Defense and Safety Afloat guides? Not Youth Protection guide? Just the SM Handbook, Boy Scout Handbook and Guide to Safe Scouting...got it. Not the Accessibility Standards for Camp Facilities publication? Not the Barrier-Free Tent Frame publication? Just those three. Lots of words, now which are the rules, which are the regulations and which are the methods? I am only supposed to follow the Rules and Regulations according to my application agreement. The Metho
  6. Trevorum, Ok - thanks for the update. I thought the old man may have missed something when he explained the birds and the bees to me soooooo many years ago. Now about those studies you mentioned...what is the reproduction rate of the current gay population of child-bearing years?
  7. Dan, I merely want to see the Rules and Regulations of the BSA and local council that I am supposed to follow as a volunteer. I want to see ALL of them, a current listing, not one that is a year old. It should not be that difficult...if the BSA says you and I must follow them, then someone must have them in one place that I can look at. And I don't want a listing of the Methods...just the Rules and Regulations please.
  8. Trevorum says "Culture changes, biology does not" Not to sound too stupid about my biology, but please explain how two gay males make a baby.
  9. OGE, Thank you for making my point. When the labyrinth of Rules and Regulations gets so large how can we know if we are following them all or not. In your analogy, we end up with multiple court systems (Constitution) to sort out the mess that is created, and we end up with an elaborate audit and penalty system (taxes) to catch the 'cheaters' or those who can't possibly understand all of the rules and nuances. A funny thing about Rules and Regulations, they are only added to...never detracted from. So after 94 years of the BSA's administrators and lawyers making their additions, we are
  10. Dan, Its a start...but that is the Aims and Methods not the Rules and Regulations. I have seen thousands of post on this forum about the rules and regulations (as stated by the BSA and as made up by certain individuals)..and the application references them... so they must exist somewhere so that any reasonable person volunteering can read them before they sign the application. No doubt, the SM Handbook and the Boy Scout Handbook contains some rules and regulations...please list them on your next post. Then let me know what rules and regulations are in the hundreds of thousands of
  11. BW must be traveling today...I am sure he will be up to the task.
  12. Good post...good idea...but remember we are talking about our BSA national headquarters. "I would like to see the BSA National issue press releases commenting on every ACLU action taken against the Scouts." That sounds good but nobody reads press releases (especially boys) and the press won't print them out of the kindness of its heart. "We need to let people know that we are here to stay, offer a great program and will remain on message." Only on a local basis...the national BSA office will not spend money on a national campaign...ever see a boy scout commercial on nati
  13. OGE - I'll play. Please post the Rules and Regulations of the BSA and your local council on your next post. B-P says: "Scouting is not an abstruse or difficult science; rather it is a jolly game if you take it in the right light." Why are the strict constructionalist making it so difficult. B-P wants it to be jolly and simple. I'll look forward to reading the simple rules and regulations on your post.
  14. From the Rover site: In her introduction to the 35th edition of Scouting for Boys, Olave Baden-Powell wrote in part, Details of programs and activities must always change with circumstances and conditions, but in its spirit and essentials his (B.-P.) book is timeless and universal, and it is for us who come after him to act as its guardians and to see that the whole essence of Scouting is preserved therein, whatever may be the adaptations or allowances to meet varying conditions or needs. So... can someone point me to the quote from one of scouting's founders that the Program must be st
  15. According to the link I posted earlier, there is/was a B-P Rover Scout unit in Arizona.
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