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jblake47 you wrote

It takes only about 15 minutes to read the entire US Flag Code, it would help the discussion if everyone actually knew what it said, (and what it does not say).

Myths:

6) The US Flag goes on the right end of a line of flags in a parade.

jblake47 wrote

Most people have never really read the US Flag Code, but seem to know an awful lot about it.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/7

The flag, when carried in a procession with another flag or flags, should be either on the marching right; that is, the flags own right, or, if there is a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line.

Man yall all seem to be exceptional troops...

In Troop 6 in the 80's we rarely had more than 7 boys at a Time...

we had no choice but to stay in a Patrol... I think the largest i ever saw it was 13 Boy Scouts at one time

Problem is..

Camping is not a "Whats good for the Goose is good for the Gander" situation..

Basic Rules to start with..

Do not plan more than 1 Activity over night a Month as a Pack..

Here is how we basically broke down this Year in Our Pack

September new Members join ...Popcorn Sale..no extra activity

October....council wide Cub-n-Pal Camping..No extra Activity

November...Pack Lock in over night at sponsoring church... Participated in City Veteran's Day parade

December..Participated in City Christmas Parade..Night at the Museum

January...Pack-out at a Local Camp..Space Derby Combined..Pinewood Derby

Febraury..Blue and Gold Banquet

March..None extra Activites as a Pack Planned

April...No Pack Activities planned

May.. Council wide Spring Cub-Pal Camping

June.. Cub Scout and Webelos Residence Camp

July.. planned pool party

August... No plans yet

What works for one Den/Pack may not work for everyone.

Growing Up a Country Kid there was not a weekend I was not camping either in Scouts or with a family on the river or a lake fishing or out hunting..of course back then we did not have Angry Birds on Cellphones and IPads..We sang songs or Told stories around a campfire not listened to music or watch TV on Electronic devices

Back in the 1980's when I was elected to the Order of The Arrow in our Lodge it was customary to "carry" or "store" you Order of the Arrow Sash on you Belt..As long as it was folded to have the Arrow pointed up..and once a Member of the OA it was considered part of your Scout Uniform. Our Troop had uniform inspections and if you were an OA member and you were not carrying your sash you lost points just like not having your tote-n-ship on you. However it was Only to be Worn at OA Functions or Events representing OA with the Arrow pointed up and over the Right Shoulder. The Key is Worn vs Stored.

Such as OA troop elections, Tap Outs, Ordeals, OA Elections. It was not worn during work events or mundane chores. Think about it..if only OA Members are in attendance is there any reason to wear the Sashes to distinguish us from Nonmembers?

I carry/store the sash on my belt as part of my Scouting Uniform until told not to otherwise. Since I rejoined Scouting and Renewed my OA Dues I have yet to receive an actual OA Handbook.Being a Cub Scout Leader I have been asked what the Sash is for and I explain why I carry it..I explain about OA and what is suppose to be. I use it as a tool to inspire cub Scouts to carry on into Boy scouts and give them another Goal to aspire to. In the Last year I have never been asked by anyone what the meaning of the OA Patch was, however at every event I am asked by Scouts and Parents a like

Myself I have been out of Scouting for a number of years and things may have changed regarding the Sash..OA certainly has Such as women being allowed in OA

Our Pack has 1 Pack Meeting a Month usually reserved for passing out awards and Achievements..

If Pack has an Activity it takes place of the regular Pack Meeting. Such as participating in the City Veteran's Day Parade, The City's Christmas Parade, A night at the museum. We do not schedule to many Pack Activities. We do have a Lock in at our sponsoring Church, we have a Camp out at a Local Camp with Cabins which is great because no need for a lot of camping items..as there are bunk beds..Two adults and 8 kids per cabin..A Large Mess Hall where more adults can sleep around a huge Fireplace.

Den Meeting are traditionally where we take the day trips to meet advancement requirements such a trip to fire station, radio station. It depends on if the venue is large enough to host all of the scouts at one time mainly

Like most people have already pointed out as long as you follow protocol and do it with dignity I see nothing wrong with an indoor flag raising ceremony. Yes There is no official rules about an indoor flag raising.

Use an appropriate sized Flag.

When Raising/lowering the Flag Never allow it to touch the Ground.

allow enough room for the American Flag to be in a upright position..it is never dipped

Union is always on the Flag's own upper right (viewer's left)

Most Scouts do not have a building tall enough for a really Dramatic Flag raising or lowering.

I recommend using Bugle Calls to enhance the Posting of the Colors.

Only Allow Scouts in proper Scout Uniform to Post the Colors.

Use Dramatic lighting to enhance the Posting of the Colors.

My Old Troop would turn out all the Lights..The 4 Man Color Guard would present the Colors. Two outer Guards would shine a light onto each flag as they were carried and spot light the Flags as the Pledge was said and until the main Lights were turned on.

To John-n-Kc

Every Scout event should start with a Flag Ceremony..Pledge at a Minimum. The National anthem does not have to be played. Colors can already be posted prior to opening ceremony. a Simple ceremony can be just asking everyone to stand and recite the Pledge.

Having Scouts research or doing the things you mentioned "I can think of lots of ways to have a dignified flag ceremony without doing an indoor flag raising.

- Have the kids research the Presidents of the Boy Scouting era...

- Have the kids research Medal of Honor winners who were Scouts...

- Have the kids research local government officials who were Scouts...

- Use the Red Skelton interpretation of the Pledge (have them do it). "

has nothing to do with the Presentation of the American Flag..The Proper way to raise or Lower the American Flag..

So many people can not even properly display a flag at half mast or know how to lower a flag from Half Mast anymore. To properly raise a flag to half mast you Briskly Raise it to Full mast and Then slowly lower it to half Mast..and to lower the Flag you first raise the Flag Briskly to Full Mast and then Slowly lower the Flag..And Many can not fold it properly either..(13 Folds)

Thanks for the Link

I am always interested in a re-usable resource

Just wanted to introduce myself to everyone.

My Name is John Paul Stoddard. I am currently a registered member of the Northwest Texas Council #587 as a Wolf Den Leader for Den 6 Pack 1 sponsored my Floral Heights United Methodist Church Wichita Falls, Texas and a registered Brotherhood Member of Order of the Arrow Lodge 35

My youth scouting experience began as a Cub Scout till Eagle Scout.

As a Youth I moved a lot so I have been involved in many Councils in Missouri, Kansas, Texas, and California until about 1978 when we finally found a home here in Wichita Falls Texas. I became a member of Troop 6 sponsored by Grant Street Methodist Church. While a Troop Member I served as Patrol Leader, Senior Patrol Leader, Troop Quartermaster and Troop Librarian. I also had the privilege of working on several summer camp staffs. Last time as the Dining Hall Stewart. I was elected to order of the Arrow Lodge 35, where I was a member of the Dance Team, Ceremony Team and served several terms as Lodge Quartermaster. I went to Philmont several times as a youth. I earned my Eagle Scout in 1984. Unfortunately after High School I went into the Army and had to drop out of scouting. I was Stationed in Aschaffenburg Germany with 1st Battalion 7th Inf Regiment 3rd Brigade 3rd Infantry Division 7th Corp USARMY Europe. After the Army I worked various Jobs that did not allow me time for Scouting. In September 2011 I finally returned to scouting as a Den Leader for Den 6 Pack 1 Northwest Texas #587. We just transitioned to Wolf Cub Scouts. Looking Forward to another great year in scouting