Eagle92

Yes b/c 1) the BSA doesn't own the WC patent, it is owned by the World Organization of the Scouting Movement (WOSM) 2) It is a fundraiser for WOSM as it supports various WOSM programs and 3)there is a history in which it was an "optional" patch that one could wear if they had to be earned it. I was might ticked off that in the middle of my international trip which would have qualified for the WC, that WOSM "requested" all member associations to allow everyone to wear it.

Jet, You are the SM and can pick the MBCs they use. So if they have partials, and they need to find a local MBC to complete, You can pick one. Grant you some MBCs will accept what other MBC have signed off on, others will do a quick review and finish up. However if they have them signed off by a MBC approved by the other SM, they do have the MB. Depending upon which MBs it is, they can either A) start teaching those skills to the younger scouts (FA, Camping, and cooking come to mind) or if a major trip is involved that deals with skills learned forma MB, then a shakedown trip that they must pass in order to go is in order. That's for MBs like backpacking and canoeing. Heck I wouldn't even single them out, ALL scouts would have to pass muster in order to go on a week long trip.

"Fish, There are several reasons for doign it this way, even if you are already in the system. First is to make sure that the IH or COR has indeed approved you for the position. trust me I have met IHs and CORswho had no clue who was in the unit, as well as an COR who didn't realize that yes he could remove folks and yes he sat on the district and council committees. Second, and to me most importantly, it prevents membership fraud. I saw apps with someone's name, id number, and 'MULTIPLE" written on it, and the unit didn't exist. Heck somehow my wife was listed as a MC for a pack that I neither one of us knew about! So by having signatures, it prevents fraud.(This message has been edited by Eagle92)

SWN And don't forget multiple woggles too, at least at the 95 WSJ.

My pack's CO is having issues finding a replacement CM as they want someone with either prior Scouting expereince or some military expereince, in order to have the outdoor skills. I keep telling folks that prior experience is not needed as 1) we do provide training 2) you do have folks with experience who are in other roles, i.e. DLs and MCs who do not have the time commitment for being a CM, But can help out and 3) one of the district trainers is in the pack and willing to assist as needed.

If memory serves, when BP was rejected by the Kitchener to go active duty as a LTGEN, he joined one of his old units, I believe the 13th Hussars, where he held an honorary colonelcy. When the Germans found out that he was back on the continent, they went berserk. Also in WWII, if the Nazi's OPERATION SEA LION would have been successfull, BP was on a list to be shot on site.

Very doable as my Brownsea 22 troop comprised 8 patrols and we were at a minimum of 300 feet away from each other,and in some cases a mile or more away from the nearest patrol. Now our guides may have been a bit closer, but we didn't know it as they stayed out of our way except when it was time to eat (we had to have a staffer as a guest) and for classes. Grant you we had 1600+ acres to play on With the JLT troop, we also had about 100 yards from each patrol, ok 2 patrols may have been 275', close enough for government work. All joking aside, it is doable.

Ditto BP, you'd be surprised what a 2nd Class or 1st Class Scout can do. I was a PL at 2nd Class

Here is how i would interpret it, but your results may vary. 1. Working on someone's Eagle project - if the entire troop is invited, it can clearly be a troop activity. What if a Scout asks just a few of his friends to help out? If the Friends are in the patrol, yes. 2. PLC meeting. We do this once a month on a different night from our troop meeting. Yes if in a POR and needs to be there 3. Working on a merit badge with a friend or two. No, unless entire patrol is doign it. 4. Court of Honor held on a regular troop meeting night. Yes 5. Eagle Court of Honor held on a weekend. Yes 6. Eagle Court of Honor held on a regular troop meeting night. Yes 7. Troop meeting night, but it's an activity (troop hike, or waterfront activity) Yes 8. TLT - basic training, 2 hours in a meeting room (could easily be a "troop meeting") Need to think on, but possible if outside a normal meeting and needed for POR 9. TLT - all day training in the outdoors Definately 10. Taking a course (den leader training, or University of Scouting). Clearly a Scout activity, but is it a "troop/patrol activity"? If used for POR, yes, esp. Den Chief training. 11. Working on advancement. In a troop of 50, maybe five Scouts show up to work on the orienteering requirement on a Saturday. Invitation went to anyone who needed the requirement - so not really the entire troop nor to a particular patrol. Probably, need more details to think on it. 12. Camping with another troop. In what capacity? Is it b/c he is part of a HA activity with them, Jambo contingent, being a mentor for a new troop? If there is a reason for it, probably, if to just 13. Camping with your family and you worked on requirements for most of the weekend. Nope.

Saw something similar to this with a YM and his dad. Long story short as soon as he turned 18, he did 2 things; #1 Find a place to live temporarily and #2 enlisted in the USAFR for GI Bill benefits. But how can parents prevent a scout from earning Eagleat his EBOR? Parents are not allowed to sit on the board.

i don't have a copy of the letter sent uot in front of me, but my understanding is that all adult applications, irregardless of whether it's for a new leader or someone who is changing positions, must have a copy of their YPT attached.

Short, One of the things I suggested was to have the First year camper staff teach IOLS to new leaders. that way A) the new leaders could see inplace what Scouting does and how they don't need to baby them and b) teach the m the basics. Forgot to add the two folks who I knew basically drilled the heck out of the new scouts by putting them in situations where they had do use the skills learnt. Culminate with the Thrusday mite campout.(This message has been edited by Eagle92)

I hate top say it, but it depends. For some at national the spark is out, and its just a job. For others the spark is still there, but they are stuck with a bunch of bureaucrats. And others never had the spark to begin with.

Actually there is a "time requirement' for going to Scout to First Class: 30 days. Tenderfoot requirements 10a an 10b states they must do pushups, pullups, situps, long jump, and a 1/4 one time and then again 30 days later (10a) and show improvement (10b). Me personally I am very skeptical of a weekend as you mentioned. Heck I'm skeptical of some of the First Year Camper programs that claim to have a scout master the T-2-1 skills. In fact I've only seen 2 folks able to teach a group of new scouts those skills to the point that they mastered them. And I been around camps for a time or two.

Emb, Because Sea Scouts are part of the BSA, do not get the promotion they deserve (and advertising Sea Scouts would be a benefit as we both know not many folks know about them) and do have uniforms. Why wouldn't national support a BSA program. Grant you Ships Stores have better quality patches and insignia, know that from my old Sea Explorer stuff I got from NS and my current stuff from Ships Stores. Heck a bunch of the Sea Scout stuff from NS is restricted, i.e. the Sea Scout Leader pin and lapel pin. Plus with only 7000 Sea Scouts, it isn't feasible for national to make uniforms on their own, hence the agreement with the USN and others. My thought is this, national needs to support Sea Scouts, and this would be one way of doing so.

In reference to training, councils and districts are suppose to have the volunteer base to cover training. Is it difficult, yes, do some districts have challenges, yep, I'm in one, but you do not need to take the training in your district/council. SMs do need outdoor skills. Alot of the skills were that asults knew b/c A) they had been doing it all their life, i.e. using woodtools, camping, etc, B) they were prior military and learned the skills in the service, or C were scouts themselves. I am seeing a lot less adults with these skills due to the A) more urban environment, B) the draft no longer exists, and C) Some folks were never scouts in their youth. Yes IOLS is just that, an Intro. It's not created to make you a master teacher. rather it's designed to give you the basics, let you try things, and then be able to go back and practice. And that is the key PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE! Once you got a taste of it, you need to keep using it so that you master it. For a new leader in a new unit, they need to teach the skills to the odler new scouts, let them practice, and then teach the younger scouts as they come in. BUT you must practice, practice, practice.

Art, Length of MB does depend upon the school. While the active season is usually FB season in the fall, others are year round. Summer was band practices and camp, Fall practices, FB games, Winter was basketball games and practices, spring was Mardi Gras parades and competitions. Grant you Fall was the very busy time, and we had a guy who wouldn't serve in a POR in that period due to band, but it was year round, he was able to make most of the spring/summer activities.

"If a scout misses an event, that's one scout missing. If a band member misses an event, it has a serious impact on the ensemble." I must respectfully disagree as 1 person of a patrol can make a serious difference, especially in district/council patrol competitions. I know of a case where b/c one patrol member skipped out of a backpacking trip, the expedition was delayed several hours, and we had to redistriubte gear. It was the old BA 22 course, and we were already at the place, gear loaded up and ready to go. The scout deliberately didn't wear socks one day at the camp to get blisters so he wouldn't have to go backpacking. When he only got one, he deliberately infected it so that it got so bad he couldn't do the backpacking portion of the training. needless to say we were all ticked off as we had to wait for the doctor's verdict if he could do it or not ( he couldn't) and once we found out he wasn't goign to make it, we had to redistribute the gear, with a good portion of it on my shoulders. that delayed us further. Good news is that he did such a good job infecting it it became the size of a softball (I didn't realize blisters could get that big), and he ended up in the base camp doing KP for the leaders. Needless to say he wasn't a happy camper. Also as a scout doing a district camporee, we had 2 scouts in my patrol miss out b/c of illness. Can't blame them as they were actually sick and upset not to compete ( we wanted to kick some Hawk and Eagle Patrol buttocks) , but we couldn't do several of the patrol events as we did not have the minimum number of patrol members to do them. So yes a scout missing an event does have an impact on the group.

My pack is having a substandard year as we got approx 14 new cubs. But that is our fault. Those packs that are going to the Round Ups are getting the scouts. One pack went from 35 returning ( almost 100%) to 75 new and returning. That pack is also sending leaders to every RU.

GK, No I did not as was on the USMC JROTC drill team, but I had several friends who were. My HS had several bands: Marching, USMC JROTC band ( yep that was separate and had their own practices), Concert, and 1 or 2 others if memory serves. I know the school bands were in various competitions, Mardi Gras parades, sports events, and special events. JROTC band didn't compete, but they also did Mardi Gras parades, one or two sporting events (ones the regular band were not going to), and special events. Closest the JROTC band came to competitions was at various JROTC meets where they provided entertainment during breaks in the meet. They would usually get some type of recognition as at the time we were the only JROTC unit that had a band. However that changed my SR year as another unit in TX got one.

T, have your scouts google the camp name in quotation marks and leader's guide. I.e. "camp davy crockett" and Leaders' guide or give them this link to the 2010 leaders guide, map on page 30. http://www.scbsa.org/openrosters/DocDownload.aspx?orgkey=2457&id=79293 edited: when I did the searrhc I described, ti took me to the council;'s website. Looking under cmaping i found the old leaders's guide. Most council's will leave the old guide up as a reference until the new one is up. 2010 may not be 100% accurate as changes do occur in programming, but I bet it's 98% accurate.(This message has been edited by Eagle92)

SMB, Somewhere in the archives of this site, TI's closure was discussed and an actual board member discussed in some detail why they needed to do it and what was happening, i.e. the constant flooding.

T have you chekced the leader's guide for your camp's summer program? Very easy to read maps are usually provided in the guide.

Kudu, I have one humble favor to ask. Please do not use the BSA Lifeguard program and EDGE in your examples. BSA Lifeguard has already been handicapped by the removal of boating rescues and 'going without support" rescue methods, to the point that al it is is the BSA's version of ARC Lifeguard ( heck in my council those going through the program get both ARC and BSA certs), and not the separate, more difficult program it once was. Mentioning EDGE might give folks ideas.

In the two cases where the local council's records were so screwed up, that a second source was needed to correct the council's records, the Scout's BSHB was used in both cases. In my case I submitted a copy of all the advancement sections which had dates and signatures of MBs and BORs. For me the MBs were all screwed up. For my friend, they did not have him earning Star or Life. Again copies of his BSHB advancement section wer turned in. My advice would be the following. 1) I would input the data into Troop Master as it is in the book. The book is the official record of advancement for the scout, not advancement reports, and not council records. Make sure to get a copy of the signatures too in case anyone challenges it. 2) If the BOR section is signed, your troop committee does not need to sign the advancement report. Instead fill out the advancement report as normal with the correct info, dates, etc, and mark on it "REPLACEMENT" in the signature section. I also would mark "TO UPDATE COUNCIL RECORDS ON A TRANSFER SCOUT" and submit a copy of the BOR's signatures attached to the report. 3) Make a notation to check Charter when up for renewal to make sure records are updated.