DugNevius

Note on Traditional Family Values: They change. After all, the traditional family values back 200 years ago was slave ownership. Back until the 60's it was segregation of Blacks and Whites. Since im only 26, id be curious on what policies the BSA had in the pre-civil rights movement regarding segragation in scouting.

some people are saying that the atheists would be out lobbying to convert the children. I dont think this is really the case. Yesterday morning, as my alarm went off i found i was listening to a radio commercial for the LDS. It got me thinking: The different sects of christianity all have commercials on TV and radio seeking to promote their religion. On TV there are also the telavangalists and the heavily christian themed television shows like "7th heaven" or "Joan of Arcadia" or "Touched By an Angel" To my knowledge there has NEVER been any radio or TV commerical trying to convert people

The fact that Bob has refused to answer his own question only further strengthens the idea that his sole purpose was mere flamebait.

Thats right Tevorum. Now i wonder how Evmori would feel about a Muslim or Jewish Scoutmaster who really tries to convert all his scouts FROM christianity.

I dont think all atheists are going to try to convince kids there is no god as a whole just like i dont feel all chatholics are trying to convert all non catholic scouts to catholicism.

well Dan, do you stand on Baldy and try to convince jewish scouts to accept jesus? I know i dont.

very true Dan. I apologize. But still i dont think its fair to group all atheists to be represented by Merlyn LeRoy just as it would be unfair to have Dahlmer represent homosexuals or Douglas Smith to represent all Scout leaders.

Dan, when was this about M Leroy? Thats a whole seperate topic and not really relevant.

Lynda and Semper are saying pretty much what i was thinking. In my [limited 15 years] experience most 13-14 year old eagles fall into two catagories. Paper eagles and eagles from eagle mills. A lot of them had a father scoutmaster that arranged things to be signed and some came from troops that made it as easy as possible, in an almost socialistic fashion to get eagle. This is not always the case. But the journey is the importance, not the destination. The longer the scout is on the journey and the more experiences he encounters, the better for it he will be. DFor an analogy, Le

>>First of all this was not a pertinent question in the first place because it is an all white or all black question with no gray middle of the road, which is the reality of our world today. This thread was nothing more than Bob throwing more flamebait out there to incite others and he was successful, turning scouters against each other for no good reason,typical. The BSA has its policy set and probably will never change unless forced to by legislation, court case, or a significant loss of revenue. This is more than choosing between a gay trained leader or a straight untrained one,

Anarchist: "I know homosexually does not equal pedophillia but there is a scientific correlation..." Prove it.

Im still curious why people find my dislike for bigotry to be disgusting. After all, it seems clear that this topic was created to be antagonistic.

Patrol trips are a big part of building patrol unity as well as teaching a lot to the leader. In our troop each patrol has one patrol trip. The patrol leader is in charge of schedualing the trip, contacting adult leaders, getting Staff members to attend, planning the menu, cooking, putting together a program and leading his patrol. On these outings members of other patrols dont attend, its strictly for that patrol only. We also have a lot of comeptition between the patrols. Afterall, boys will be boys. A lot of our sporting events are by patrol, the entire month of April for us is devoted

Never had this in my troop, but the woman who ran the youth protection program that i attended was at summer camp this past summer with her husband the SM, so, im thinking its not all that bad.

Im not really sure why you so offended. You are upset because im against discrimination and bigotry? is bigotry a "bad" word? I didnt point out anyone in specific at all, simply stated id be more comfortable with homosexuals who had not attended training then those who would be prejeduced against homosexuals as a whole.

um... not really Bob, what is your point?

I would much rather have untrained homosexual leaders running a troop then to have bigots who discriminate and promote intolerance against minorities, other religions and homosexuals.

C'mon Dug, you can argue all you want, but this was over the top! (This message has been edited by a staff member.)

Eagledad, i wouldnt care. I dont know about the rest of you, but as a strait male i dont really talk to young boys about hetero sex or sexual activities of any hetero nature nor do i push heterosexuality on them. So why should people feel homosexuals would so forcefully try to impress homosexuality on kids?

Not only would i continue scouting, id be glad that those they left did so and confident that scouting is better off without people like that.

I dont ever recall being asked, asking or hears others ask sexual orientation ever in scouting. But im still curious who here would pull their scouts from scouting if the BSA changed its policy regarding gay leaders IF no gay adults or youth in their area joined scouting. Its just like the whole battle against gay marriages. Does it effect any heterosexual people if two gay men or women got married? No. It doesnt. The whole "marriage is sacred" is the only response but not all that worthy with shows like "Who wants to marry a millionaire" "The Bacholer" and other marraige based reali

I agree. In our troop we try to promote this by having each patrol have a patrol campout and also having a lot of competition between patrols including our "troop Olympics".

Should adults push their sons to reach eagle at 14 because thats about the time most boys begin to drift from scouting? Should we adults make it as easy as possible for boys to make eagle? Does a scout who is 14 and has been in scouting for four years have the same amount of experience as a scout that is 16 and has been in scouting for 6 years? Or shpuld the bar be raised so that while every scout has the chance to clear it those that do are of a higher caliber of scouts?

Is a 13 year old an eaglescout? technicly he can be. Should he be? Well, thats up for debate.

well technically the same argument can be made against the influence of the Religious Right over children. Snakeeater, would you pull your children from the BSA if the BSA allowed homosexuality even if no homosexuals joined any troop near you in a leader capacity? Would you allow your sons to attend a school if their teacher was a homosexual?