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    • I mentioned previously the 15 y/o Scout whose mom wants him to make Eagle by summer.  Nice enough kid, but incompetent as hell.  Tonight was his Second Class BOR.  He still doesn't know the Scout Law and Scout Oath.  The SM acts like this kid is the second coming of Green Bar Bill.  The CC, his wife, doesn't seem to have an issue with it.  The SM has previously complained, at length, about incompetent Scouts.  I can't figure this one out.  They are essentially paving a path for him.  The SM and his SPL son set up the new patrols so that it was all but assured that the Scout would be the PL.  Where in the rank progression path is a speed bump for slowing things down until competence is gained?  Is this Scout going to be awarded Eagle without knowing the basics of Scouting?  We have an 11 y/o who could stomp this kid into the ground when it comes to Scouting knowledge.  
    • It is 100% accurate that right now, Scouting America is the WOSM member from the US.  None of the organizations you mentioned are going through the motions to try to force a federation and at least two do not abide by the WOSM constitution or are otherwise ineligible (size), so there is nothing suggesting it's about to become inaccurate, either. It would seem that you agree with me, despite your first sentence, or am I missing something?
    • This isn't quite accurate though. While there is 1 NSO (and that NSO is Scouting America here in the states), if GSUSA, Campfire, Rainbow Scouts or Trail Life wanted to become a WOSM member they can apply to WOSM and force a federation; however, those other large(ish) national level organizations don't want to federate for their own various reasons are thus locked out of WOSM. 
    • We disagree on this issue, but arguably us both being involved and running units makes Scouting America stronger and more able to serve all interested youth. Families that like your unit on this issue won't like ours and vice versa - but the result is that all families can find a unit they feel welcome in. When there is a single NSO in a country (as opposed to the WOSM NSO being an umbrella organization for several scouting organizations with separate leadership, uniforms, etc), that NSO needs to contain a lot of different kinds of units or be content to serve only a small part of the youth. So, having units with different approaches (sometimes in quite sharp disagreement) is the only way forward unless one is ready to accept niche status, which I imagine no one here is. 
    • I notice you got no reply, probably because you have a good point. Especially because this forum is full of complaints from many people who refused the Kool-Aid on various points. Once a scout, always a scout. If everyone started a new scouting organization every time they disagreed with something in an existing NSO or MO, there would be no movement left. People's Front of Judea/Judean People's Front kind of stuff. The Scouting America Scout Law even has Loyal in it - you don't go splinter off in a huff just because you see a problem. No, you go fix the problem instead, which starts with defining and talking about it. Clearly not everyone even agrees that pressuring non-Christian scouts and scouters to be Christian or at the very least accept second class citizen status and stop complaining about it even is a problem in the first place, so there's obviously a need to talk about it.
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