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By Eagle94-A1 路 Posted
Correct. Even though Scoutmaster Fundamentals never expires, it is no longer considered a code for "Trained Status." I forgot as a Key Three I can add the missing training. So I added the date of the last time I taught the Scoutmaster Specific class. Problem fixed. 1. Understatement. IOLS has left out a lot of info in older HBs and FBs. Last time I taught IOLS, the syllabus left out so much information, that I had handouts on additional information from older HBs and FBs. And the last syllabus I looked at took out even more information! I do not know who is creating training content, but they need to look at Green Bar Bill's work. 2. I too question the usefulness. 1:30 total for SM Training! When I did SMF, the Troop Meeting section, which is now 10 minutes long, Was an 90+ Minutes as it simulated an actual troop meeting with Pre Opening, Opening, Instruction, Patrol Meeting, Inter-patrol Competition, and Closing. IMHO, it is more about process than preparing for adventure. Which is a mistake. Scouts want adventure. -
By InquisitiveScouter 路 Posted
We track all of these at the unit level with a conditionally formatted spreadsheet. Here's just the first 14 of our 30+ registered adults. You can tell who the Committee Members are 馃槣 Well, those who never go camping... Fourth one down is mine When you are within 30 days of expiration, you highlight YELLOW, and our Unit Training Manager gets on your case. When you expire, you highlight RED, and then I get on your case And if it is required for an event, you do not go as an adult until you get your stuff done. We need capability and backup for contingencies. SYT (Required) Hazardous Weather SCO_800 (Required for All Outdoor Events) CPR/AED N06 (Desired/ Required for Specific Events) Safe Swim Defense SCO_801 or SSD (Desired/ Required for Specific Events) Safety Afloat SCO_802 or SA (Desired/ Required for Specific Events) Climb On Safely SCO_804 or S74 (Desired/ Required for Specific Events) Drive Safely SCO_805 (Desired) Wilderness First Aid N02 (Desired/ Required for Specific Events) 5-Jan-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 23-Apr-25 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 13-Nov-23 6-Jan-25 NO 16-Jul-21 15-Jul-19 NO NO NO 11-Aug-23 15-Feb-24 7-May-25 20-May-25 20-May-25 13-Feb-24 3-Oct-24 6-Apr-24 2-Jul-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 30-Dec-24 18-Mar-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO 7-Apr-25 20-Mar-24 NO NO NO NO NO NO 2-Jun-24 7-Dec-24 21-Dec-24 14-Dec-22 13-Dec-22 13-Dec-22 17-Aug-23 11-Mar-23 25-Nov-24 30-Apr-25 7-May-25 30-Apr-25 7-Jun-25 7-Jun-25 30-Apr-25 NO 31-Mar-24 23-Sep-23 23-Aug-23 19-Jun-24 19-Jun-24 NO 7-Jun-25 23-Aug-23 8-Mar-25 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO 14-May-25 1-Oct-23 21-Dec-24 12-Jul-21 12-Jul-21 14-Feb-24 NO 30-Dec-22 2-Jul-24 12-Jun-23 11-Aug-22 4-Aug-22 8-Sep-21 17-May-21 NO 23-Apr-23 13-Jun-23 13-Jun-23 23-Apr-23 NO NO NO NO 27-May-23 -
By InquisitiveScouter 路 Posted
I totally agree with you. But, those trainings are program specific. For example, G2SS requires Safe Swim Defense (SSD) only for a swimming activity. Safety Afloat only for boating stuff. Climb On Safely only for unit level climbing activities. Range Activities Safety only for unit level range stuff First Aid and CPR only for Safety Afloat, and not for SSD (a disconnect, IMO) Wilderness First Aid is only recommended, not required. Well, required by BSA High Adventure bases, but that is the only program that requires it A well-informed unit leader has all the above. But a TRAINED (for the position) leader is not required to have them, by BSA standards. -
I'm an outsider looking in. I've been a Scouter in HOAC for the past 7 years but being I'm not in Mic-o-say and even if I were it would be "honorary" not "hardway" I feel I have some perspective that is more big picture than some. I grew up in Order of the Arrow, was a lodge officer for 6 years, was given the honor of Vigil, and my last year I also went through the Firecrafter program. I say this to validate that I understand Honor Societies in scouting deeper than some. There aren't many that have seen or experienced Firecafter and Mic-o-say and the "bench" of outsiders from HOAC who came here so saw what OA looked like elsewhere is small. My troop traveled in the summer so we saw how OA was in other places, I went to NOAC so I've met other lodges. My council was sliced and diced so i went from Kickapoo to Jaccos Town to Woapink Lodge in the course of 1 year, and saw how they all operated as an incoming Lodge Officer (Vice Chief over District). I joined Firecrafter as part of the council merger, because I was seeking to understand this group being brought to us and to "build bridges". I was not a fan of it at the time as "its not national, we already have OA". So please realize I do try to have an open mind, and do try to reflect deeply on what i see and experience. I just came back from Bartle after being there for a few days, I saw Mic-o-Say ceremonies, saw interactions, and as a being a scouting member for 22 years I had some weird experiences. I really felt "outside" by most there, they gave that look of "where's your claws" that only a non-member can notice. Only a few people (outside of the friends I know from Wood Badge) treated me like I was actually a "real" scouter and the rest kind of talked to me like I was more a visitor than a someone who belongs at camp. It could be my self-esteem issues but I know others have felt the same and there was definitely some cold-shoulder when they saw my OA flap. I wore the OA coups when I was in uniform, not other times, but that got some questions from the scouts as a majority I was around had never even heard of OA (even some Star scouts). Sorting by "first year, second year, etc..." is a bit odd to me, I've seen that elsewhere but it tries to put a Cub Scout blanket over the troop experience. I feel. Having adults lead ceremonies, escort scouts around, and more, it felt very adult-lead everywhere at camp, not youth lead. I see value in Mic-o-say. I think it has some parts of it that are of extremely great value to the scouting experience. It also has weaknesses that people get mad when mentioned. The sad fact here is that if I even point out where OA, Firecrafter, and MOS have strengths and weaknesses, I'll probably have hostile responses. Personally, I wish these groups would meet together, discuss and find a way to create a better Honor Society within Scouting that is more modern, one that brings all their strengths and cancels their individual weaknesses. Now I have to convince my son that he can still get Eagle without MOS because they got him convinced that without it he'll never get past First Class. MOS rank system has great value, their adult leadership weakens them, if they and OA did ceremonies more like Firecrafter they wouldn't have a cultural target on their back. If Firecrafter and MOS were National like OA then it wouldn't limit the scouts to a single camp in the country. If Firecrafter and OA used a more developed rank system like MOS, and the meditation and self reflection that MOS encourages, they would gain. If MOS got the adults out of the ranks and made them Advisors, like Firecrafter and OA they would have strength not weakness. And if there ever was consolidation across the groups, Firecrafter MUST keep the fire-by-friction they do. I know its a pipe dream, but seeing these groups merge effectively/correctly and for the idea of modernization would make them stronger together. But they would have to identify their strengths and understand that parts of them would all disappear. I am still reflecting on my most recent experience though. -
By RememberSchiff 路 Posted
...is that all there is? ...something is missing (I hear a Peggy Lee song in my head) Saw no listing on Safe Swim, Safety Afloat. There should be a Head Table - Required Training for All. YPT/SYT should go there! First Aid training? Basic First Aid/CPR for Cub Scout Leaders. Beyond that Wilderness First Aid. We can do better than 10 min brain dumps. We learn more from our mistakes and mistakes of others - discuss incident report examples. Is training leaders to deliver the Program about learning process or preparing for adventure? Another $0.01,
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