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  • Hornaday Awards

    I've got 2 questions regarding the William T. Hornaday Awards:

    1. How big are the Hornaday projects? Eagle Project size?

    2. Should I earn this as a Venturer or as a Boy Scout? Is earning both possible? I already have 5 of the 8 required MBs but in a few weeks I'll be a registered Venturer [I also attended ILSC this morning(January 11)]. I do think the Venturing version looks a little easier, and I'll be much more active in Venturing than Boy Scouts.

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    http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/...dayAwards.aspx

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    • #3
      Generally Eagle project size. But, keep in mind that some Eagle projects are extremely large. If all you've seen are massive ones that take thousands of man-hours, then you don't need to do 5 of those! You can earn it as both. If I were you, I'd knock off the three merit badges. That way you can earn a palm. And I like palms!

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      • EagleScout441
        EagleScout441 commented
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        When I said "Is earning both possible?" I meant whether I could earn the Boy Scout version, and then earn the Venturing version.

      • ScoutNut
        ScoutNut commented
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        Are you talking about the William T. Hornaday Awards?

        If so, there are no separate "versions" for Boy Scout, Venturing, or Varsity. Everyone completes the same requirements to receive the same awards. The only thing that might make earning them as a Venturer a bit more "easy" is that while Boy Scouts, and Varsity Scouts have up until their 18th birthday, Venturers can work on the awards up until their 21st birthday.

        Also, while you might look at the Hornaday projects as "Eagle size", in the literature it mentions projects that make "significant contributions" to conservation, require a "substantial commitment of time and energy", involve "truly outstanding efforts", and are "truly exceptional conservation projects".

        This is NOT a check-a-box award. This is NOT a project that can be accomplished in an afternoon of picking up litter.There is NO "easy" way to complete these awards.

        To give you some perspective on Hornaday vs Eagle - According to the BSA national website -
        In the SINGLE year of 2012 - 57,976 Scouts earned the rank of Eagle Scout.
        in the past 80 YEARS only about 1,100 Hornaday medals have been awarded.

        Granted, this is for the Hornaday medals (Bronze/Silver), so there might be a higher number of Scouts who have earned just the Hornaday Badge, but somehow I doubt it is as high as 57,976 in one year.

        So, to answer your question, while I do not know for certain that a Scout/Venturer could earn a single Hornaday Award twice, why would you want to?

      • ScoutNut
        ScoutNut commented
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        Looking at the various award applications, it appears that there ARE specific Venturing requirements that are in place of the Boy Scout Merit Badge requirements. However, there is only one set of Venturer requirements for BOTH the Bronze and Silver.

        There is also extra project documentation for Venturers that is required in ADDITION to what is required for Scouts.

        You really need to talk to someone in your council who is experienced with the Hornaday Awards to help you sort thru all of this.

    • #4
      I realize the Hornaday awards will take a while to complete. Probably at least just a long as it took me to get from First Class to Eagle(little under 2 years). And I said "easier," than the Boy Scout version, just because the three MBs I need are Fish and Wildlife Management, Forestry, and Public Health, all of which are fairly long. The Venturing Ranger electives required look "easier" than those 3 MBs. I never said it would be easy. And the difference between the Hornaday Silver and Bronze for Venturing is 4 projects versus 3 projects.
      I'm comparing the projects to my Eagle Project. Which involved replacing the handrail/guardrail system on a 8'x10' deck, constructing a 12'x12' mulch bed bordered by 4"x4" lumber(using rebar to "stake" it down) and constructing a 8'x6' picnic table.
      One more question, if I earned the Silver, would I also be given the Bronze medal and Badge?

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      • #5
        The Hornaday project is expected to be similar in size and scope to an Eagle project. The Hornaday project has elements that are not included in the Eagle requirements. As to the awards, the local Council would consider the first project for the Badge. Projects 2 and 3 (and 4) would be submitted to the Council with project 1 for consideration to be submitted to National for review. If the Silver is granted, the youth would not receive the bronze. If National does not feel all 4 are adequate, they may elect to award a Bronze. If a youth has received a Medal and did not apply to the Council for the Badge, I think they could do that , but defeats the purpouse of working with the Council Conservation Committee on the first project to ensure the scope is appropriate if it is desired to pursue the Medals.

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