CORs : change

[Tron]

20 hours ago, mrjohns2 said:

I was just thinking about the annual district meeting and what not. Who are voting members? Past members-at-large? 

The text book answer is: CORs, the District Key 3, Members-at-Large, People registered in function roles (advancement committee members, training committee members, etc ... ). 

I've never seen it done by-the-text-book though. My personal opinion is evolving into the opinion that DE's never even try to run it by the text book because they don't want a committee complicating their unilateral approaches to everything. 

[mrjohns2]

Now that CORs aren't automatically given a vote? I wonder if that translates down to the district? So, it would be the same potentially minus CORs. It is just funny that the same group would potentially vote themselves in. 

[Tron]

Every time I have seen a structured removal of voting ability or removal of input ability it was caused by the ruling bodies desire to remove or reduce dissent to a pending action. I've seen this in other non-profits and in local governments. This type of action always preceded a controversial policy change.  I wonder if this is the fallout of the Nassau and Norfolk councils voting to not merge and then being forced to after all of Long Island scouting went bankrupt? There are a lot of councils just digging in and refusing to be part of the team right now. Is this a mechanism to remove the dissent at the various localish levels? 

[InquisitiveScouter]

8 minutes ago, Tron said:

Every time I have seen a structured removal of voting ability or removal of input ability it was caused by the ruling bodies desire to remove or reduce dissent to a pending action. I've seen this in other non-profits and in local governments. This type of action always preceded a controversial policy change.  I wonder if this is the fallout of the Nassau and Norfolk councils voting to not merge and then being forced to after all of Long Island scouting went bankrupt? There are a lot of councils just digging in and refusing to be part of the team right now. Is this a mechanism to remove the dissent at the various localish levels? 

Concur with your assessment.  My extended guess... National wants to move more rapidly with consolidation of councils, and this will prepare the way...

[Eagle94-A1]

17 hours ago, Tron said:

The text book answer is: CORs, the District Key 3, Members-at-Large, People registered in function roles (advancement committee members, training committee members, etc ... ). 

I've never seen it done by-the-text-book though. My personal opinion is evolving into the opinion that DE's never even try to run it by the text book because they don't want a committee complicating their unilateral approaches to everything. 

Don't know about today, but back in the day DEs were told, at least in my council, to select folks who agreed with everything council wanted. I was told point blank to get rid of a bunch of people, basically the ones keeping the district together, because they were constantly questioning the council. One reason I was not popular at the office, I knew their value, and would not do it.  I did tell one volunteer they needed to pick 1 role, besides CM, as they had 4 district roles, and it was overwhelming her, and she refused to recognize it. 

 

3 hours ago, Tron said:

 I wonder if this is the fallout of the Nassau and Norfolk councils voting to not merge and then being forced to after all of Long Island scouting went bankrupt? There are a lot of councils just digging in and refusing to be part of the team right now. Is this a mechanism to remove the dissent at the various localish levels? 

Not necessarily. I know volunteers hate change, but I bet you its the pros running councils that do not want to lose their power. Fewer councils= fewer SEs etc. And My understanding is that everyone who was eligible for retirement has taken it. So they are fighting for their jobs. 

3 hours ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

My extended guess... National wants to move more rapidly with consolidation of councils, and this will prepare the way...

Most definitely. Council consolidation in their bankruptcy plan was supposed to take 5 years if memory serves.