Nike 94 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 If you as SMs, CMs, and CCs were presented with a child who dressed as a boy, wore a boy's hair cut, talked about boy things, acted like a typical boy, but were then told the child was actually a biological girl, she just preferred to do boy things and wanted to be with boys, what would you say? Yes he can join. or No, Cub and Boy Scouts are boy centered organizations. Your child can join as a Venturer in late middle school. Link to post Share on other sites
packsaddle 753 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 If they were serious about scouting and the kinds of things we do as a unit, I'd let anyone in. But in a generic response, I'd support letting the CO decide membership questions. Link to post Share on other sites
Eagledad 2784 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Well here you go: http://www.9news.com/news/article/226301/188/Boy-wanting-to-join-Girl-Scouts-told-no >>Recently, Archuleta wanted to sign Bobby up for Girl Scouts. His older sister did it, and Bobby really wanted to join. Archuleta told 9NEWS when she brought Bobby to register, a troop leader told her Bobby couldn't join. "I said, 'Well, what's the big deal?' She said 'It doesn't matter how he looks, he has boy parts, he can't be in Girl Scouts. Girl Scouts don't allow that [and] I don't want to be in trouble by parents or my supervisor,'" Archuleta told 9NEWS. Link to post Share on other sites
BS-87 30 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 If the child was 6-11, no because the parents are pushing a controversial agenda and I would never allow anyone in a unit that is looking for controversy, and they're goofy for telling their daughter she can be a boy anyways. If the child was 11-14, it's a no because she'll still be developing as a female and while she may not be self-conscious about her new womanly development, it will certainly distract the boys. Boys of that age are shut down completely when near a girl, even if the girl thinks she's a boy. If the person is 14-21, a crew works just fine. Link to post Share on other sites
BDPT00 41 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 "If they were serious about scouting and the kinds of things we do as a unit, I'd let anyone in." *** This sounds exactly like the response GSUSA has made. Can I assume then that you'd think nothing of your Tenderfoot eleven year old sharing his tent with an eleven year old girl? Call me old-fashioned, but aren't there any limits in your world? BDPT00 Link to post Share on other sites
JoeBob 606 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 EMERGENCY! We need to find a way to engineer a news blackout in Irving, TX to prevent this story about a boy being accepted into GSA from reaching BSA National. They would choke on their own drool dreaming of the enrollment numbers if BSA had to accept all the younger girls that wanted in... Link to post Share on other sites
moosetracker 132 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Half the girls act like boys look like boys and do boys things now.. Half because girlie stuff stinks and is boring.. The other half because most societies (including ours) still prefers boys over girls.. Girls dressing & acting like boys is called being a Tom-boy, and it is acceptable. It's the boys wanting to be girls that have people freaked out.. Oh.. Ick.. What's the matter with that one.. All girls who want to do boy things I would love to let in, but BSA would have to change policy.. And we all know that the conservative group would get their panties in a spin on that one.. Link to post Share on other sites
JoeBob 606 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Moose, Only the ones without Tomboy daughters... Link to post Share on other sites
Scoutfish 16 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Better watch those tomboy girls, they might whipp up the boys when it comes to sports! My wife was a tomboy. Loved to do all the cool stuff boys do instead of pretty dresses and dolls. She played softball, volleyball and flag football. She liked motorcycles and fourwheeling and was just as comfortable in the woods as any other boy was. Maybe that's why we get along so great! But, I would do just like I would in all other aspects of the rules: Say no. Would I think having an active girl in our pack would be cool? You betcha! Would I be bothered by a gay leader? No, but if he tells me he is.....again it comes to the rule thing. Same with an athiest. Same with anything I probably wouldn't know about. But you can't help but notice a girl is a girl ( most of the time). Here's my stance, I do not always agree with or like all the rules, but I follow them ( as far as I know). If mom and dad get mad, I can say : "Hey, don't blame me, I do not make the rules, but I HAVE TO follow them, lest I get fired." Link to post Share on other sites
packsaddle 753 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 "Can I assume then that you'd think nothing of your Tenderfoot eleven year old sharing his tent with an eleven year old girl?" If the Tenderfoot is another girl, no problem. What's your point? I'm not sure what 'rank' has to do with this. "Call me old-fashioned, but aren't there any limits in your world?" No, there are limits. But I set them neither in a purely arbitrary manner nor based simply in prejudice. Link to post Share on other sites
83Eagle 11 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 This discussion is incredible. The joining requirements start with the phrase "Be a boy..." Last time I checked, gender was determined by biology. Call me a Luddite I guess... Might as well call everybody the It Scouts and shove em all together under the same umbrella... Link to post Share on other sites
Basementdweller 608 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 You guys are silly there is already a long line of girls that want to join cub scouting.......the answer is no. Girl Scouting is terrible when compare to the BSA. Link to post Share on other sites
Papadaddy 121 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Produce the birth certificate. Otherwise, wait until age 14 and join a Crew or Ship. This is not something which is up to the unit or the CO to decide. Link to post Share on other sites
Lisabob 13 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Oh no, birthers applied to scouting! Ahg! Honestly I would feel bad for the kid, but I wouldn't register them with the cub pack or scout troop. Why? Because they don't meet the requirement. I would: a) invite them to attend and participate in any family events we hold (and at the cub level, there are a LOT of these) b) try to help them find a really outdoorsy and strong program that isn't gender specific (or a great girl scout troop - those do exist) c) keep communication open with them so they can join a crew the day they turn 14 One other note. Being a tom-boy is in a different universe than being transgender. Tomboys like to go and do the fun stuff that is sort of culturally "boy-ish." Transgendered people psychologically identify themselves as being the other sex. One might like to play baseball and go fishing and wear jeans and sneakers all the time (tomboy) without thinking that one is really a male put into the wrong anatomical form (transgender). Link to post Share on other sites
packsaddle 753 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 So Papadaddy, this beautiful girl shoves an application at you and a birth certificate identifying her as 'male'. Are you going to let her in?(This message has been edited by packsaddle) Link to post Share on other sites
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