Goatdoc Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 I must be missing the boat. Where in the book is this question answered. I believe that in a previous edition of the handbook there was a reference to this but not spelled out specifically in the current edition. Please enlighten me... First class requirement 7a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManyIrons Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 In my copy of the handbook (11th ed., 5th printing) the answer is on the bottom of pg 137: "Obtain permission before building camp gadgets or other structures -- they are prohibited in many backcountry areas as a way of encouraging no-trace camping. Therefore, lashings should not be used in areas where they are not permitted (which probably qualifies this as a candidate for the "Vague but True" Hall of Fame). Don't feel bad, this one drove me to distraction for a while too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaScout Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 We answer it more in terms of which lashings are used for which jobs...like what you would use a tripod lashing for or when do you use a square lashing as opposed to a diagonal lashing for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatdoc Posted March 21, 2006 Author Share Posted March 21, 2006 I seem to remember some reference to saftey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA_Scouter Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 We only use 'lashings' now when the adults interfere with the boy leadership. harhar... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronvo Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Remember CA - no more than 40! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManyIrons Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I checked my son's copy of the 10th edition, and it doesn't have a requirement to discuss when/when not to use lashings. The introductory text is virtually identical to the current edition -- along with the admonition about obtaining permission before building structures. The only mention I see of safety is a small text box labelled "Triangle Principle In Lashings" which advises the user to incorporate triangles into their designs to ensure the lashing projects are "safe and steady". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyoungeagle Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 The way I learned it about 5 years ago is that lashings are to be used when the structure being made is a tempoarary structure (such as a clothes rack for a campout or a gateway at summercamp). Lashings should not be used on a long lasting structure (such as a bridge) because the weather and other wear and tear on the rope could cause the lashing to break and cause the structure to collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleInKY Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 When should you? - When the structure is temporary - When you have the materials (rope, poles) - When you want to use existing (natural) materials instead of cutting, nailing or otherwise constructing something. - When you don't have other materials (nails, screws, tools, etc.) - When you're working on Pioneering Merit Badge. When should you not? - Permanent structures - When you can't build it to support the necessary weight (i.e. it's not safe) - When you don't have the proper eqiupment (good rope, large enough poles, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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