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Traveled the world for the government, Scouted in 4 foreign countries and been to international scout centers. 3X Philmont, 1 Natl Jamboree, OA member, and started in 1978.
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fred8033 is 100% correct in his post. Too often national takes forever to finalize paperwork where it can take months to receive anything back. Also, the ECOH is what the scout decides as formal as wanted and timing to their liking. Pretty much the family wants in conjunction with the troop. Most of the time the ECOH will review the scout's adventure on the trail with a story, display, location, and acknowledge the mom/dad pins, mentor pin(s), any neckerchief/bolo/slide, and gifts from scout friends. Hope this shed more light on your situation and gives you some backing on what actions you wish to take.
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I Think It Is Time to Shut Down the Troop
Double Eagle replied to Eagle94-A1's topic in Open Discussion - Program
You have quite an issue on many fronts. The first advice is grab a unit, ADC, or district commissioner for assistance. If you don't know them, ask the district executive for the point of contact. They should be able to help in many ways. As for camping short-termed issue, speak with the camp director about a provisional status that you can share a site with another troop and share adult coverage. With the number of scouts you have, it should be doable. Swapping leaders half week is common. The late notice cancellation and physical is terrible news and you shouldn't have to personally pay for it. If the CC is throwing up their hands, time for a new CC. As for recruiting, word of mouth is the most successful recruiting tool. Have scouts wear Friday class B shirt if they are willing. All year round is cool, as our older scouts wear their philmont, OA, and jamboree shirts to show them off. If all else fails, take a break for a month this summer from troop time. Let some behind the scenes actions work among the adults and relook the situation. May help to back off and relook after a short period. -
And this is not too uncommon among really young eagles. A couple of ideas pop in mind. As for the COH, there may be minimal participation by those offended during the weekend. Without publicly boycotting the event, a heads up to the parents is in order. If someone feels he is not representing the Eagle rank, they can bow out. I've seen this many times. I wonder how the other troop Eagles reacted or will react to this behavior. Definitely a leader/committee-to-parents meeting is needed. Without hearing the Scout's side, not sure why he would not help out. If he is the oldest member of the troop and highest ranking, I can see where he may get a big head with "I'm an eagle, I don't have to do it" mentality. Worst case as stated above, may be time for him to perform or join a different scout unit such as crew or ship where older, more experienced scouts may change the behavior.
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My initial take is you could count the 8.5 backpacking miles, but the 6.5 may be considered hiking, but not backpacking. There is a definite difference between the two. Also, consider the intent of the merit badges. As much as some may overlap, there is a benefit to a separate mindset. I applaud you and the scouts for the entire program and outing.
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How do you gentle nudge out an adult volunteer?
Double Eagle replied to Armymutt's topic in Open Discussion - Program
This is in reference to SSScout. I was in a similar situation when called by the Scout Exec and Council Commissioner to go from ADC to Dist Commish. My first question is what happened to the current Dist Commish? He was going to cross lanes and become the new District Chair. That was the good part as I let it be known that I would not be part of bumping him out unless voluntarily. I think it is poor business to not give the interim person the opportunity first, unless there is just cause. -
How do you gentle nudge out an adult volunteer?
Double Eagle replied to Armymutt's topic in Open Discussion - Program
For mrjpohns2, that is rather interesting concept rather than a national rule I think. Imagine being a district key 3 and signing up the next year's key 3 for all kinds of things they have no knowledge or interest in. It often takes more than a year to understand the mechanics of district, service area, or council after merges, realignment, and new units added. A new advancement chair each year would be interesting to see that work successfully. And then...you must have a bench of volunteers ready to step up/in. Not a fan of mandatory 1yr term limits in any unit or level. -
How do you gentle nudge out an adult volunteer?
Double Eagle replied to Armymutt's topic in Open Discussion - Program
For Tron, you do reference local policies. The lodge advisor term and dues paying parent is local. One dangerous situation is when the lodge chief and advisor are in the same household. It can be friction whether the conversation is from parent/youth or chief/advisor. You are correct on the 1year term on district/council positions, but no term limits by national. From a commissioner standpoint, a couple awards require 3yrs of a 5yr periods. -
How do you gentle nudge out an adult volunteer?
Double Eagle replied to Armymutt's topic in Open Discussion - Program
Worst case, the supreme chief of the fire (council executive) could give the nudge. The lodge advisor would be the one to address this with a chapter advisor. Yup, I've been both. If the lodge has an upcoming lodge leader development, it would be a good time for associate lodge advisor(s) and adults to address this in an adult forum. I'd give a mentor or friend of the individual a chance to talk sense. Maybe with a long tenure, it is time for new roles or new blood into that area. -
Excited about Woodbadge!
Double Eagle replied to AwakeEnergyScouter's topic in Wood Badge and adult leader training
Since Eagledad brought up the ticket items, I'd like to see them too. I've been troop guide and ASPL for WB, so learner's course makes it 3 WB courses in 3 different councils. Ticket writing was the worst part for troop guides and participants. One course wanted them to cure cancer and save BSA in every way. I'm not a fan of the dancing, so glad to see it went away. Critter pride is not emphasized as much either, but always an Eagle and honorary Fox (red dog). -
Just to get back to the question, my experience with lone scouts has been overseas where no BSA presence was. We used the local embassy for assistance as the scout had a parent working at the embassy. As for which council or national level to work with, is a question. Some lone scouts use the Far East Council for resources when in their footprint. Another time we had lone scouts in remote Alaska as units were really few and far between. I also have the international scouter award knot and earned the international scouter patch shown above (the blue one). If you ever get a chance, Kandersteg International Scout Center in Switzerland is awesome, winter or summer.
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Trying to be brief on this. UC is a district level position as stated by Fred8033. The appointing authority (differs often between councils) for unit commissioners should not assign (in my.scouting.org) his UC duties in a unit he is part of. UC ideally should have 3-5 units assigned to them. UC visiting unit meetings may be needed if a reported problem exists, but 99% of the time are invited. UC should be a coach, teacher, mentor, and doctor for units and mostly adults/committees. Commissioners should stress the Journey to Excellence scoresheet as a thermometer for units to self-assess before a detailed assessment (minimum 2 per year) and simple assessments (done after almost every UC-units contact) are done by a commissioner. Short version: That UC should not hold a position in the same unit assigned to him.
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Councils With No Commissioners
Double Eagle replied to Scoutmaster Teddy's topic in Open Discussion - Program
Haven't heard of a council without commissioners. I know finding unit commissioners is pretty tough these days. Heck, Eagle Scouts are easier to find. Having been a commissioner since 2001, I've seen ups and downs between the 11 councils I've worked with. I would like to see a reason for more interest in the service. We also had commissioners on paper that did nothing. That didn't help the image of commissioners either. -
Scoutmaster's Report to Committee
Double Eagle replied to curious_scouter's topic in Open Discussion - Program
How about a good look at the "Journey to Excellence" worksheet and head towards at least a Bronze rating? All those KPI can be ok, but wouldn't an advancement rep best report from their seat? SM is not a committee and should stick to SM stuff while committee can dig deep into expenses, advancement, recruiting. Pretty much the team while the SM is quarterback. -
Sharing campsite shower/restroom facility
Double Eagle replied to Roadkill Patrol's topic in Summer Camp
I"m sure this camp falls under a council. How about bringing it up to the council board. Just not going is good for your unit, but leaves the same problem that would fill your troop's week. How about identifying the troop to council and camp that took over the latrine. I'm more of the thinking Scouts can be courteous, but not a weak victim and just take it on the chin. Standing up for yourself and others is scout like too...brave? And to those leaders on the site (I hope they contribute) that condone taking over the latrine, you allowed Scouts to show an ugly side of shared camping and will be used as a negative example for some time. -
Question about local group requirements
Double Eagle replied to Mismatched_Socks's topic in New to Scouting?
My point about rangers and staff is they still have to be registered, even if a unit has several adults. Anyone on troop overnighters have to be registered and YPT. Not looking for the 2-deep piece, but rather who are authorized to stay on overnight events.