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  1. My troop did a camporee based on CSI and Clue. Different events had clues and patrols had to formulate the crime scene solution and bring their answer to the campfire. I don't remember many details and I can't find a write up. The boys planned it. They had fun. My troop did the Mission Impossible Camporee back in the fall of 1997. It was one of the earlier night camporees ever held. The website for that event was mentioned: http://www.troop33dekalb.net/mission1.htm Links to camporee ideas may be of interest: http://www.troop33dekalb.net/links.html#camporee Eight years
  2. Little Archibald Lake is located off Rt 32 between Lakewood and Townsend, Wisconsin. It's final camping season was 1986 and the camp was subsequently sold as was Chin-Be-Gota. It has been subdivided into large lots and now homes line parts of the lake. At least there is a decent set back requirement in that area so they're not right on the lakeshore. I first attended Little Archie in 1967. The camp's name was changed to Chief Shabbona Wilderness Camp after Chief Shabbona Council merged with Kedeka Area Council in 1968. Since their camp in Sugar Grove was named Camp Kedeka they wante
  3. This might be of interest to a few people. The old main lodge at Chin-Be-Gota is now a rental property, so those of you wanting to visit can do so. I just found out about this. They have it as a three bedroom deluxe cabin that sleeps 12 people. Here's a link to the URL: http://www.lakehousevacations.com/page-5354.html
  4. I am a Scoutmaster of a troop that owns a fleet of watercraft. Our troop's fleet includes: 13 canoes, 3 kayaks, and 2 sailboats. We started creating our fleet in 1985. The canoes were all purchased used, and the sailboats and kayas were all older craft donated by their owners. They needed lots of TLC. Our canoes consist of 6 aluminum Grumman canoes, 6 royalex Indian canoes, and 1 poly Coleman Scanoe. We use our Coleman the least. I don't recommend Coleman. Our kayaks are all canvass over frame. They need work. The sailboats include a 16ft Luger Leeward, and a 12ft Su
  5. I think the eagle's nest that you're thinking of was over at Chief Shabbona Wilderness Camp (Little Archie). I know Troop 11 Aurora is still going strong. It is now in the Foxfire District. Here is their website: http://troop11aurora-il.org/ I worked with John McKenzie from Troop 11 on Chin-Be-Gota staff at in 1976 and 1977. He was Asst Camp Director in 1976, and Camp Director in 1977. John continues to be active in Scouting currently serving as Advancement Chairman of the Foxfire District. Cliff Golden
  6. I think the eagle's nest that you're thinking of was over at Chief Shabbona Wilderness Camp (Little Archie). I know Troop 11 Aurora is still going strong. It is now in the Foxfire District. Here is their website: http://troop11aurora-il.org/ I worked with John McKenzie from Troop 11 on Chin-Be-Gota staff at in 1976 and 1977. He was Asst Camp Director in 1976, and Camp Director in 1977. John continues to be active in Scouting currently serving as Advancement Chairman of the Foxfire District. Cliff Golden
  7. I think the eagle's nest that you're thinking of was over at Chief Shabbona Wilderness Camp (Little Archie). I know Troop 11 Aurora is still going strong. It is now in the Foxfire District. Here is their website: http://troop11aurora-il.org/ I worked with John McKenzie from Troop 11 on Chin-Be-Gota staff at in 1976 and 1977. He was Asst Camp Director in 1976, and Camp Director in 1977. John continues to be active in Scouting currently serving as Advancement Chairman of the Foxfire District. Cliff Golden
  8. Rich or "Grumpy", I attended Chin-Be-Gota as a Scout in 1968, 1970, and 1971. (As a Scout I was at Camp Rotary MacQueen in 1965 and 1966, and Chief Shabbona in 1967 and 1969). I worked on Chin-Be-Gota staff as Field Sports Director in 1976 and 1977. I brought my troop up to Chin-Be-Gota as a Scoutmaster in 1978, 1979, 1980, 1982, 1984, and 1986. I think I helped paint indians for the Wed night OA ceremony several of those years. I hate to be one always ringing of death, but in case some of you did't know, Griz Adams passed away in 1991. Someone mentioned Bob Ford in a
  9. It appears the statute that Merlyn referred to was Public Law 92-249 enacted by Congress in 1972. From website: http://www.aphill.army.mil/sites/mwr/boysscout.asp "All branches of the military service have given support to world and national jamborees. In 1972, Congress recognized such support officially when it enacted Public Law 92-249. Since the first Scout Jamboree in 1937, through the 2001 national Scout Jamboree, the military has provided personnel, equipment, and services of all types." The same quote appears here in talking about the BSA and the military. http://www.s
  10. I've worked with boys from many religious groups, Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Jewish, Unitarian, Buddhist, Ba'hai, Moslem, Wiccan, and Hindu. I've worked with many boys that didn't belong to any formal religion. Scouting describes itself as non-sectarian. There may be some conservative religions that embrace Scouting ideals. That doesn't suddenly make the BSA sectarian. Due to membership numbers some groups have more influence than others. That's not going to change anytime soon. But aren't we straying from the original topic? None of that has any bearing regardin
  11. I think you want a balanced program for the year. Amusement parks are like dessert. You don't want too much, but they can sure sweeten the meal. We have included amusement parks on some of our long tours. We usually have an annual trip to our local Six Flags in October during their "Fright Fest". Actually boys do a fair amount of walking/hiking during the day, and I always use the map to find where I'm at and where I want to go. So you might rationalize some hiking and map work, but I think boys just having fun together is reason enough to do it. Cliff Golden
  12. Horse treks are overnight horseback trips. Regular horseback riding is listed for all but Tigers. Horse treks are suggested for "older" Scouts, Varsity Scouts, and Venturers. Philmont Scout Ranch offers Cavalcade programs (horse treks) for older Scouts. Cliff Golden
  13. Boys planning trips by themselves is a great goal. It doesn't happen all at once, it's a gradual process. I think we want boys to learn how to plan a trip so they can do their own adventures later in life. Starting at 11, they should be planning their menus and buying food with their patrol. It builds from there. Adults have a role to play in this process, we don't just walk away and say "do it". We need to coach them through the process and make suggestions, provide support materials when needed, etc. We had a trip to Cancun a few years back and ran a contest to see who
  14. I thought I should report on the death of a former Chin-Be-Gota staff member from a few years back. He's been gone three years already. Gerry Streit passed away on February 20, 2002. He died of a stroke at the age of 55. I thought former CBG staffers might want to know of Gerry's passing. Gerry probably worked at CBG longer than any other staffer. He spent 10 summers on staff with his last year in 1976 as Commissary Director. He was active with Troop 29 and Troop 57 in Aurora. Gerry also served as Order of the Arrow Lodge Advisor for Glikhikan Lodge 106 and was chai
  15. Wherever it goes, it should begin with a candid conversation with Mr. Z, and find out what his explanation is. It's easy to start building major cases, but often times there are explanations that might not ever occur to us. It's best to collect facts and then go from there. Cliff Golden
  16. Sorry I'm late. I've been busy working with my troop. I'm not a regular here, I wander in and out, now and then, as time permits. I don't even have a cool imaginative screen name. (I logged in the first time with my real name, and just continued with it.) I don't know many of you. I do appreciate the discourse on various subjects. Some of the more contraversial subjects probably will never effect Scouting in my troop. Still it's good to read the arguments though, and especially those arguments against Scouting policies are a benefit to hear, in case someone in my
  17. I didn't realize your name was Brian Westley. It all makes sense to me now. Thanks for clearing that up. You can say that the BSA has gone to court many times to exclude atheists, or you can say they've gone to court to defend their rights to include God in their Oath and their program. I prefer the latter. I don't see the BSA as intent on practicing religious discrimination. I've worked with boys from nearly all religions in my troop; Christian, Hindu, Moslem, Buddhist, Jewish, Wiccan, Ba'hai, etc. The BSA doesn't require any Scout to even belong to a religion. They only nee
  18. You wrote a letter to the editor at the time the article was published. Would you like to share your letter with us? --merlyn wrote---------- It only underscores my point; the BSA didn't see any problem with the situation until the ACLU finally threatened to sue them, which was due to me pointing out to the ACLU that there were thousands of government sponsored units out there. --end quote---------- The BSA saw no problem serving millions of boys. I think their focus was on serving boys, rather than discriminating. The ACLU didn't see any problem either, until you pointed it
  19. wingnut, Now you've opened a whole new door. I'm taking one giant step back. I don't want to be the first one to walk through it. packsaddle, They already have at least 9 subscriptions going to 1060 West Addison, Chicago, IL. (More if you include the reserve players, umpires, managers, and coaches.) Fuzzy Bear, You share with us very wise words. Somewhere we have to reconcile the idea of "Judge not, lest you be judged" (which I heartfully believe in) and protecting our youth. In the example, I don't think a Playboy magazine is enough to condemn anyon
  20. Merlyn, did you personally post a reply to the editorial? Maybe I misunderstood. I visited your link and just saw the two that you had copied for us. Was there another editorial written by you? I think I understand the point you are making. I also understand that schools and other government sponsorships are being changed over to being chartered by private groups, so your point is quickly fading into history. The article describes what Scouting is doing for youth today. I think it does a wonderful job of communicating what Scouting is really all about. I understa
  21. The Call-out is a public recognition of his election to the Order. It's similar to a commencement. Just because you don't attend commencement doesn't mean you don't graduate. His Call-out ceremony won't affect his election. He should be notified about when he can complete his Ordeal weekend and become a member. I have boys that miss the call-out ceremony at Camporee every year. They are still invited to complete their Ordeal and become members of the Order of the Arrow. If you still have any concerns, you should call your local council service center and they should be a
  22. He probably already gets the magazine anyway. (for intellectual nurishment) Cliff
  23. Packsaddle, 1600 Pensylvania Avenue; Washington D.C.? Now is that your home address, work address, or both? Are you the head of the household? Can I visit you this summer after Jambo? Cliff Golden
  24. I once had a philosophy course back in college that dealt with morality. I remember reading Plato, Heidegger, Kant, and others. The decades following since have dimmed much that I once knew (or thought I knew). I seem to remember that some philosophers looked at consequence of actions. Kind of; no harm, no foul, view of morality. Machiavelli looked at the end justifying the means. Some considered the free will of the individual to be the moral source, more so than the physical action or its consequence. If the Scouter used the Playboy for donating sperm at a bank in or
  25. We had something similar happen last weekend. A boy felt sick in the middle of the night with pain in his stomach. The pains weren't too severe and home was not that far away. We called his father on a cell phone then transported him home immediately. He was fine and at Monday's meeting. He did feel embarrassed about leaving the campout. We didn't make any mention of it at the meeting. I would be careful about singling a new Scout out in front of everyone. You might want to recognize and praise his tentmate who responded to an emergency and stress the importance of what
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