Eagle1970

I can't even imagine a valid claimant voting for approval, unless they are desperate for a couple of dollars. Why would this win approval. Why would attorneys support it. I simply don't get it.

And for you as well.

It is not just you. I am now dealing with more injustice, piled on top of a lifetime of injustice on this issue. Meanwhile, in a plaintiff-friendly State, victims (some with minor or questionable claims) are licking their chops. It all figures. My only regret now is filing my claim. I took my daughter used-car shopping last week. You literally cannot by an old beater for the amount of money we stand to receive as compensation for a lifetime of trauma. Maybe I'll try to get the prosecutor to file criminal charges against my abuser, if he's still even alive. I have lots of detail and people are convicted for far less.

The civil SoL is all about protecting corporations against liability. And it is political in many States.

What exactly I want is for the insurers to pay out.

Which only serves to distress victims. I wonder how the attorneys who ran all of the ads with dreams of large settlements are dealing with their clients? Frankly, if that is the settlement, they can keep it.

I dragged myself into this thing (against my better judgment) because BSA pledged to take care of victims. The longer this progresses, the more it looks like any other corporate settlement and the less it looks like the needs of victims (particularly time-barred) will actually be addressed. All this has done for me is rip open the sores so badly that I need additional counseling, which will likely be paid out of my pocket. If this is the case, I do not see BSA standing behind its pledge and am not particularly concerned about its future. And frankly, the less I hear about BSA the less salt rubs the wound. Missouri has tried 3x and failed to remove the civil SoL. I guess it could be worse. I could live in Arkansas, where they recently amended the SoL to cover those up to age 55. Like if you are 56 you life was not impacted. That was more insensitive than just leaving the old SoL in place.

This is just too personal for me to take to FB. Even in a private group. If that would help others, that's good. For me, at this age and having lived this life, there is nothing that can make any difference, including discussion with other victims. I like people and wouldn't run away from a discussion-but just really don't see that as my ticket to moving past this. If it is a group that is more interested in talking about this case, I would bite. Especially since I am (still) on my own and have limited legal background. As I have mentioned, I would like to see a memorial site or park for survivor/victims. Maybe I could go there and cry, drink a beer and feel better. I don't even know.

I have a younger wife. She will be glad to have it if I'm not around. We never thought there would be any recourse, because of SoL. She recently reminded me that I have been telling her about the abuse since we were first together.

I'm with you totally. Going to start eating better so I live to see it.

I am reluctant to post it. But, it is the Catholic self-insurance, as the parish sponsored my troop.

What is the significance of the letter I received last night titled: " Service of Notice of Designation of Additional Permitted Parties Under Bar Date Order"? I understand what it says but don't get why an additional party is becoming involved.

I feared all along that there wouldn't be much money, given the number of claimants. I say claimants because how in the world could a victim proof of loss be blank, yet valid? I remember every disgusting detail of my abuse. And, while the insurers will still have to settle out (which may take years) it appears that fear was well-founded. When all is said and done, there is nothing that can heal the damage the BSA and its camp employee did to my entire life. Trust issues, 2 divorces, relationship issues--none of this can be undone and acting as if a pittance will somehow compensate me is nothing but an insult. I'm not so sure you could buy a badly used car with the amount we may receive. And for those who are represented to the tune of 40-50%, it is even more of a gut punch after all the talk of sizable recovery. I don't want this to come down only to money, like a nominal class-action settlement. If they are allowed to continue on, I would like to see the BSA memorialize the victims as part of this process. I'm not sure if that is a place I could visit or a portion of the Charter that acknowledges us and assures it could never happen again. I'm not a veteran, but I have seen how cathartic the Vietnam Memorial has been to those who were touched by the war. Maybe something somewhere. I was looking for closure and see none. Years after I had done my best to bury the damage, this process ripped open the wounds again. And I feel empty.

My point was that CO's are more liable than one might think at first glance. Even a ceremonial role can actually be the entire root cause of the abuse. I am likely time-barred so there may be nothing I can do about that. But to the extent it relates to the bankruptcy, I'd love to see them included.

In my case, the Catholic Parish that sponsored our troop benefited by providing the complete package-Church, School, and social life consisting of youth organizations and Scouts. I can see the potential liability because even without directly running the Scout troop, the troop WAS operating under the Parish brand. And had I not been invested in the balance of the package, I may not have been a Scout. And therefore may not have been abused.

So if potential insurance proceeds are put into trust, is there anything to stop insurers from simply denying claims for lack of proof, or whatever reason they choose. Deny is what they do best.

If this was only about BSA and LC physical assets, I could believe a timetable for framework might happen in the near future. However, with MOST of the potential recovery coming from insurers that will not be pressed and will fight to the end, I just don't see that aspect being resolved anytime soon.

Welcome 100thEagleScout! I also came over here from reddit and have found this to be an intelligent and informative group. There is a little less "Wild-West" here, which after the past couple of years I truly appreciate.

I'm interested to hear about this, as well. There may be some claims not properly vetted. But there are likely hundreds of thousands that were not brought forward, a statement I make without any more basis than Century may have on theirs.

Yes, Thanks for that info. I have an almost constant feeling on the timing of this whole thing, that it can't be done by Summer or Fall or Winter. I'll bet it is well into 2022 with just extensions to get it there. I don't know how long BSA can hold out or on, but legal cases (as we all know) can drag on for years upon years.

To clarify, will they likely reduce awards to victims who were abused in States with expired SOL's? Somewhere I saw that when claims receive point value, that is a factor. Is there a case to remove claims that are time-barred?

So how do the time-barred cases line up against those abused where statutes have been revised? The State where my abuse occurred seems to have a new bill every year to eliminate the SOL, that seems to barely fail but certainly could change with one election cycle.

There are a bunch of Insurers mentioned that appear to be filing motions. To what extent do these companies have exposure?

And, in fact, I have no interest in returning to the camp I was abused at. We did camp nearby it last week, and I could feel my blood pressure rise. So I get it. My idea is probably not practical, but I would really like to see BSA honor survivors somehow in this process, rather than just a minimal payout.

I had an odd thought, last night. Since there will never be enough money to compensate victims for what we have gone through, how about if BSA sets aside and maintains a network of local and national campgrounds for the sole use of survivors? I, for one, would eagerly enjoy the beauty of nature for a week or two per year at, say, Philmont-or even the local camps in my council (with 50 Amp full hookups, of course). Actually, it would be somewhat healing for me AND would paint BSA in the light of acknowledging the facts and publicly welcoming the victims.