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This is exactly what I set my mind to do (and did) as soon as I knew we would vote. I feared for a bit that I/we would be precluded based on “facially invalid,” closed state claims. I badgered Omni to get the direct contact info for the person in charge and made sure to get confirmation promptly and definitively. It may be just me, but there is no way I would trust an electronic submission on something like this, especially since we were given a hard copy option. See below. I believe Skeptic was, in part, speaking of survivors like me who had resolved to accept no recompense or apology and just forge ahead. Living with my demons is an ongoing process in therapy and through my spiritual journey. As many here know, I had reluctantly arrived at that resolution in November 2019 and the filing came 2+ months later. Now, I find myself in purgatory. (Apologies to my devout Catholic comrades.) I know some attorneys in this case who about ruined themselves interviewing and vetting potential clients PRIOR to allowing them to file a claim naming their firm as counsel. I’m not sure how they did that with privilege issues, but that’s beside the point. I know I repeat myself, but a good number of attorneys are literally doing nothing, allowing the TCC and Coalition to carry the water. Ok. They’re waiting for the dust to settle and the Skiball game to spit out the looooong string of tickets. You may have differing opinions about what the TCC and/or Coalition have done and are doing, but I am certain they are engaged and working. Forget about the hounding clients about the vote for the purpose of this post. That’s inexcusable, as Eagle1993 stated very well.

She’s using a term of art per US Attorneys Manual. She likely has a boatload of information and evidence at this point. I am curious what was gathered through their 1-800 campaign. Anyway, the USAM defines three classes of people -- those who are "witnesses" to an event, and those who are either the "target" or "subject" of an ongoing criminal investigation. USAM section 9-11.151: A "target" is a person as to whom the prosecutor or the grand jury has substantial evidence linking him or her to the commission of a crime and who, in the judgment of the prosecutor, is a putative defendant. An officer or employee of an organization which is a target is not automatically considered a target even if such officer's or employee's conduct contributed to the commission of the crime by the target organization. The same lack of automatic target status holds true for organizations which employ, or employed, an officer or employee who is a target. A "subject" of an investigation is a person whose conduct is within the scope of the grand jury's investigation.

That's going to be a big "nothingburger" when it's all done See below… Well, based on the RCC results, I’ll peg it somewhere north of a Big Mac Daddy with the flame-broiled prospect to serve up a Whopper.

From a survivor claimant perspective, with these phased, contingent and tiered settlement structures, let’s say more like 15 years. I’m literally cringing typing this, being forced to see it on the screen. Ever been in surgery and you outrun the anesthesia? Yeah. Exactly. I think I had about a two year concentration of propofol in the bag, and even then the dose was woefully inadequate.

Two parts: (1) confirmation hearing; and (2) trial. Count on a month in total, give or take. My bet is on give, but we shall see.

University of MI grad. Twenty-two years a professional Scouter. BSA told him to “leave town” or the parents were going to meet with the DA. His response? “If I don’t leave town, will BSA pay for my legal representation.” To its credit, the LC and Regional said, “Um. How about, NO!”

https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/boy-scouts-sex-abuse-settlement-hearing-pushed-february-2021-12-21/

Not sure what you mean by the first sentence. I believe criminal can’t be changed to open retroactively. Several experts over in the other thread.

No. Three boys in one city where he was SE and was a professional Scouter in two previous cities and states. In this instance, the first boy was interviewed along with his parents and found to be credible. Scouter resigned after hearing the report. BSA recommended him for a new job with a different company. Haven’t research that at all. Sorry to have posted it. I could state all the relevance, but I’ll retract. Hold up the “little flashy thing” and forget you ever saw me. *poof*

Yes.

Ok. I need to humor myself after that hearing. I hope I don’t get another scarlet letter, but I can’t hold this any longer. Of all the awful files I’ve read, this one simply makes me laugh. Sublimity dwells amid precision and pith. I don’t make these up. Straight from an IV File. Scout’s honor...

Good man. Another old guy caught it! Bravo, Brother John! Well done, you!

Random note. Mrs. Lauria nearly blinded me with her second diamond, but working around in my deft and catlike way, I heard her reference some heinous Twitter activity of late. She said they would deal with it, to which her honor replied, “Call me only if absolutely necessary. Otherwise, keep me outta that quagmire!” I have no knowledge of said Twitter fireworks. The judge didn’t say that exactly, but that’s what I heard, more or less.

Same, especially given the vote in Purdue Add those four paragraphs together and I see a collage of Thunderdome on the horizon. (Nod to Mel as MMax.)

Once again, Mr. Buchbinder is my hero. I wish I could post the video of his comments. He even choked up at the end. Wow.

You’re not referring to my family members here, correct? Just checkin’.

As I’ve said elsewhere on this forum, I’m in this for my family. Well, that was motivated by the notion there would be a noteworthy award coming to me/them. Now, I feel like I’m putting them through more pain as they watch me fight this daily. My most gut wrenching, ugly crying is for my wife and kids. Honestly, I can’t think about it for more than a few seconds without crying. (John said much the same thing about his relationships and, especially, his daughter.)

Some thoughts: 1) If BSA emerges, there will be a search for survivors to work with the organization to consult on Youth Protection. Can all of us bear or care to do that work? Definitely not. Just one prospect; 2) Commit time and charitable contributions to one of a number of excellent organizations caring for sexual abuse survivors and/or engaging in serious research and advocacy. (Remember this is a global crisis); 3) Find organizations in your area that provide care and support to survivors. Perhaps there is a “hands on” way to be an old warrior coming along side another; 4) Speak with a behavioral health clinic to see if they have a support group. I’ve found just being a part, especially someone as insightful and passionate as you, can be a great blessing and benefit to a group. If you can’t find one at the local clinic/hospital, see if they will start at least a pilot program; 5) Watch and see what BSA does or doesn’t do on YP, and communicate your displeasure if it is not adequate or up to the standard we know it needs to attain; and 6) Monitor SoL/Child Victims Act efforts and see if you can lend a hand. CHILDUSA and CHILDUSA Advocacy are at the forefront of these efforts. A few idears to percolate in your thinker.

Their congregations comprise, what, 17+% of the COs? I’m not asking for a comparison of net assets, but how does that percentage compare with the previous mark held by the LDS?

Not this one. It was my singular motive when all of this surfaced for me 20 years ago. He escaped by a whisker when younger men were unable to step forward and testify, not yet to the point of full recognition of what he did. As I’ve said, I bet there are at least 5 of us among the survivor claimants. 10+ wouldn’t surprise me one itty bitty bit. I spent years dreaming of other means to hold him to account. If several of my family members where unleashed, it wouldn’t be pretty. I won’t risk identifying their professions, but let’s say it would be precise and untraceable. Ok. Sorry. I guess it’s not too deeply buried. It came up with them again when I was completing my POC. A, “Just say the word,” scenario. “No,” was the word that day.

Clear as mud just got muddier? The panel’s ruling is not yet available. I look forward to reading it. As the attorneys said in the article, this is headed to the NC Supremes. Once they rule, we’ll have a much better idea.

This raises a curiosity I’ve had. How many POCs implicate professional Scouters as either primary abusers or abettors. I’m sure that data could be pulled, but to my knowledge it’s not one of the data fields currently identified. I am glad someone is doing this by way of a clean up. Fred, Qwazse, Skeptic and others have been hammering home the need to pursue perpetrators and there is little else being done by way of a look back. I wonder how many people subject to prosecution are buried within those Proofs of Claim.

You did. From me. They have not stopped, though. I have also been hounding the program coordinators to give me a sense of whether BSA plans to continue the program post-emergence. No one will say and it is not in the Plan to my knowledge. I didn’t see it in the Cliff Notes version, anyway.

100% Merry Christmas! (None of that other seasonal dilution for me.) I truly mean it.

We’ve done this hoedown a number of times, so I best make it quick. “Fully compensated” was addressed above in my being healed of delusional thinking. Also, I ain’t angling for a “fix.” Been clean and sober for 17 years in January. And, no “cure” for what ails me. A billion dollars? Hm. Well now. As to “hate and enmity,” which stinky language has had cast my way before, from whence cometh that accusation? I’ll repeat myself again, since it’s been so long. I reckon it’s worth repeating. Few if any here know what I’ve done or continue to do for Scouting. So there. Tag your it. Miley Cyrus is calling your name.