CynicalScouter

Copious amounts of salt here, but I am struck by the fact that, so far, TCC has only been fighting over Summit. It could mean that a) they aren't even going to bother going after the other three or b) they are just waiting to finish fighting over Summit which is by far the biggest potential prize at $300+ million then turn their attention to the other three. That said, again, BSA and JP Morgan are playing a shell game with Summit. All it takes is a 1 hour phone call and some PDFs emailed back and forth showing the true status of these loans, liens, and promissory notes and TCC either a) goe

Still denying/in denial. If they release the number and details of settlements, plaintiffs will be able to claim in any lawsuit against LCs and COs that they knew or reasonably should have know that BSA was a haven for sexual predators for years, therefore they are negligent for not supervising/weeding then out.

Yes, they said a debt is owed....and then proceeded to Offer a low ball number Play a shell game over ownership and the status of Summit (and then REFUSE to turn over any of the financial documents about that transaction when asked, I expect the next step will be a subpoena demanding the production of documents). Made a sweetheart deal with Hartford that even Hartford in an investor call said was amazing (in that it was so low). Etc.

This for me is one of the jarring parts. As if somehow when BSA entered bankruptcy that some magic wand was going to make all the sexual abuse claims go away. There are some facts about this bankruptcy, any bankruptcy, that people are still not grasping. 1) The debtor is going to pay. That's a given. The debtor [BSA] admits it has to pay SOMETHING. The only questions (and I cannot stress this enough) are how much and when. 2) *deleted by moderator as disallowed content* I am sick and tired here and elsewhere (at Roundtables, etc.) of hearing about how all 84,000 people are liars

That's not the purpose of the bankruptcy or the settlement. The purpose of a bankruptcy is for the debtor (BSA) to pay off its debts (in this case, money owed to the victims of child sex abuse). Period. And BSA is going to pay. As always in a bankruptcy we are only talking about two questions: How much and when.

Which has precisely zilch to do with the legal question: was BSA negligent in allowing those scouts to be abused? The answer is yes. The question is: how much. The fact that BSA cleaned up its act has NO bearing in what compensation the victims should or will be getting.

No one other than Kosnoff is calling for liquidation. Nice straw man.

I find it demeaning and insulting to suggest that the mild discomfort for some scouters is a "hell" in any way equivalent to the sexual abuse of minors. But you know, that's just me and my personal perspective I guess.

For those wanting to claim that their minor discomfort is a "hell", here's just a cursory review of the letters from sexual abuse survivors submitted to the court and filed today. To stay on the good side of the mods, I will NOT be giving details (which are redacted anyway). Spelling and typos in originals. THIS is hell. *deleted by Moderator per previous restrictions on comments* Age (at time of abuse) 13: "I deeply resent the implication that our claims are false or that they should not be taken seriously." Age 7: "Boy Scouts in my mind need to be stoped. BSA makes money fro

Neither is downplaying sexual abuse of minors or justifying BSA's actions in covering it up for decades.

Oh, that's why BSA is doing sweetheart deals with Hartford? And shell games with Summit (and refusing to turn over the financial documents associated with it to be reviewed)? And offering $6000 to victims? To protect families and family values? "the institution of the family itself"? Wow. How noble.

They are quoting the IV files.

A recently released letter by a Louisiana BSA executive to the BSA's national personnel division revealed: "This subject and Scouts were not prosecuted to save the name of Scouting."[30][31] The files revealed cases of collusion between the BSA and the Justice System, as in a 1962 Johnston PA case[32] where a BSA leader pleaded guilty to "serious morals" violations involving Scouts. A local Scouting executive learned of the abuse from a member of the local executive board who served as both mayor and police chief. Newspapers failed to report the connection to the Scouts because, as the executi

I will challenge the notion that the mild discomfort of some is the same or equivalent "hell" (word used) as a child sexually assaulted. I will dare anyone with even a modicum of humanity to challenge that premise. This bankruptcy is about scout leaders turning a blind eye, focusing MORE on protecting their precious BSA and its reputation than actually doing something. And thanks to the release of the IV files we can see it: BSA leaders from National all the way down, IN WRITING, attempting to coverup or cover over THOUSANDS of instances of the sexual abuse of children. So you a

Or, last I checked, absolutely no one was compelling you to pay any attention to these threads or post to them. In the extreme should you find what I am posting utterly abhorrent, there's a handy dandy "Ignore User" button. In the absence of ANY information from BSA, the LCs, or the COs (who for good, clear, and obvious reasons are not about to talk to the press about pending litigation) this remains the only forum out there, literally, for anyone to get any information about what is going on in the bankruptcy. It's the moderator(s) pond, and I'm a guest swimming in it, but I st

Which to my eye, is making light of it. As if what they are going through is in any way, shape, or form comparable.

Here's the list for anyone able to stomach it. I dare those people making light of what happened to these victims to read any sampling and then come back here and continue to defend BSA and the abuse enablers in BSA. [REDACTED] Letter regard abuse (related document(s)[2983]) Filed by A. T. (LH) [REDACTED] Letter regard abuse (related document(s)[2988]) Filed by L.C. (LH) [REDACTED] Letter regard abuse (related document(s)[2996]) Filed by J.H. (LH) [REDACTED] Letter regarding abuse. (related document(s)[2664]) Filed by C.S. . (NAB) [REDACTED]

Trying to compare what "hell" you are going through with that of a sexually abused child (times THOUSANDS)? Right now, as I type, there are approximately 347 letters from the victims of sexual abuse of a minor. I dare you to read 5, even one, then tell me about hell. [REDACTED] Letter regard abuse (related document(s)[2983]) Filed by A. T. (LH) [REDACTED] Letter regard abuse (related document(s)[2988]) Filed by L.C. (LH) [REDACTED] Letter regard abuse (related document(s)[2996]) Filed by J.H. (LH) [REDACTED] Letter regarding abuse. (related documen

Last month the TCC/FCR/Coalition filed document and discovery demands against Century. They gave Century 14 days to respond. However, by rule, parties have 30 days. My guess if TCC/FCR/Coalition tried to force a faster deadline so they could have the info for the May hearing. Anyway, Century is asking the court to tell TCC/FCR/Coalition to back off and let Century have the full 30 days (to May 24). And for good measure, the Coalition has now sent to Century its own set of interrogatories on top of the join set sent last month. Like I said at the time: the BSA sweetheart deal wit

Ok, I think there needs to be some clarity. First, Biden did not appoint this person. Vara's been in office since the Obama administration and was not purged by Trump. Second, Biden has made it clear that he will not intervene in directing DoJ to do anything, unlike frankly Trump. Third, U.S. Bankruptcy Trustees tend to be apolitical, long term career types. NOT firebrands itching for political fights. Again, to reiterate, just because the person is a DoJ appointee does not make this a "Biden Administration" move, or that the Biden administration has lifted a finger, one wa

Thanks. As even the article notes: this is a never before tried novel "untested" approach. IF it makes it past a motion to dismiss, then yes, the floodgates open in NJ (and NY) and EVERY claim get filed there.

Push has now come to shove in the demands for Chubb to turn over information on the sweetheart Hartford deal. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/495e3a37-0491-4f58-b317-a06ea325238b_3591.pdf You all remember a few weeks ago when I mentioned there were "requests" and "interrogatories"? Yeah, that was the nice, nice way of asking for things. The attorneys have for the Coalition are now shoving. And what do they want Chubb to produce? EVERYTHING regarding regarding The Hartford Sweetheart deal The BSA Reorg plan, versions 1.0 and 2.0 The

I think the argument boils down to this: The abuse may have happened in Montana, and the negligence on the part of the (Montana based) CO and the negligence of the (Montana base) Local Council occurred in Montana, however claims against BSA's negligence (alleging officials there were in charge/negligence in how they handled claims of abuse such as through the IV files) lie in New Jersey or New York. It's...an argument. But having personally read through several of the NY/NJ complaints, I just cannot see that this is actually happening. In other words, I do NOT see out of the 900+ law

I am more hopeful than I was, but I am still thinking there's a chance that Boy Scouts of America really does become the first ever Congressionally Chartered group that is liquidated.

Yep. Which is what BSA should have done from the start (20/20 hindsight). Instead, they tried to cut a cloth that would cover EVERYONE for EVERYTHING and spent 1+ years and 100 million on: nothing. Now, we'll get to where we should have been in fall 2020: 1) How much of the $1.4 billion in BSA assets are subject to be sold/transferred to a victims fund. 2) How many victims? And how much? And how severe? 3) Take the amount of money from 1), divided by the information from 2), and start sending out checks.