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Depends on the scope of the projects. If a project was about the size of an Eagle project, I'd poll my friendly Life scouts and see if any of them were on the hunt for a possible project they could lead for Eagle.
Other projects, yeah, discuss with PLC and see if they're on board and willing to do it.
In another thread, somebody mentioned having more scouts who wanted PORs than jobs to be filled. If I were in this situation, I might take one or two of those project requests and see if the project lent itself to a scout leading the project as a "Scoutmaster approved leadership project". (Note: the requirements allow this only for Star and Life --- not for Eagle). I don't know many scouts or troops that do this --- most older scouts fulfill their leadership requirements via the listed PORs.
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14 hours ago, Eagle94-A1 said:
I was in a troop that switched from 6 months to 4 months. Part of it was to give more opportunities for leadership. Part of it was lack of performance by the SPL. I was against that decision, but more adults agreed with it.
4 month terms?!?! Now there's a BAD idea!
The requirements for Life and for Eagle are to hold a position of responsibility for a 6 month term. Does that mean you don't advance past Star in your troop? Or does it mean scouts need to hold 2 terms to rank up? (In which case, you're effectively changing the requirement to an 8-month term.)
4 months is barely time to get in the groove of a new job, let alone to make a difference...
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With a mixed-age group (and I suspect mixed experience levels too), I would be more conservative than Barry's estimate of 20 miles per day.
When I've paddled with younger scouts, it seems that many of them take a while to figure out how to move in a straight line and slow progress is made. Maybe only 1-1/2 mile per hour. On top of that, they will get tired after about 4 - 5 hours (so will your out-of-shape adults).
If I were paddling with older scouts whose skill levels and maturity inspired confidence, I'd tackle that 20-mile day without much hesitation.
If I were paddling with mixed ages of indeterminate skill, I'd probably keep it to 7 miles or less.
As always, your mileage may vary.
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23 minutes ago, RainShine said:
Second class nature requirement
First class nature requirement
So I'm kinda new to Scouting but I'm all trained up and now I'm a position to sign off requirements. When I first read the Second Class requirement I read it like the boys could see or hear an animal, record it in the handbook, and when they get ten animals I would sign the requirement. And I think that's what they said at IOLS. Great.
But now I'm reading First Class. 'you may show evidence by..' Hmmm... So, for Second Class, does this mean they have to show me the evidence? Like a plaster cast of a track or a photo of a deer?
If they hear a call of a bald eagle and can identify it by sound, does that count? Or do they have to record the sound and play it back to me? In spring we heard hundreds of frogs in the marsh near camp and the boys busily wrote it down. But no-one recorded the sound of it. (wish I had, that would be cool, but I digress).
I might be making this too hard but its just that I want to get this stuff right.
It depends...but you're definitely thinking about it the right way. More than 1 way to skin a cat!
I've had kids do it in different ways.
- Identify animals during a nature walk done as patrol/troop activity
- Take photos (had 1 kid a couple years ago who showed me 10 pictures of road kill, all of which he identified by species)
- Bring evidence (egg shells, birds nest, shark teeth, feather, snail shell)
We sometimes identify animal sounds on the nature walks, and I would definitely count that as fair game for the requirement, but never had anyone try to record sounds as evidence of animals.
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3 minutes ago, MikeS72 said:
I will plead guilty to being one of those who does keep my copy of every blue card. Most of what I sign are for scouts in my troop, and I know that there is always that scout who will come up to me weeks later, after having lost the rest of the card before thinking about turning it in to our advancement chair.
Glad to hear it works out for you. I can see the value in being able to back up a scout who loses a card....but for how long are you willing to be that safety net? Do you keep cards for years? That sure would add up to a lot of clutter as time goes by. That certainly does not work out for me, particularly since the troop should be keeping records of such things (via Scoutbook these days) and the scout should have his copy of the blue card for backup. Triple redundancy just seems silly and an unreasonable imposition on already overtaxed scouters.
I remain convinced that there is no serious value in a counselor keeping his part of a blue card.
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19 hours ago, fred8033 said:
... The blue card should either be in the hands of the scout or the counselor. When done, the scout hands in the troop's portion for the troop to keep. The scout keeps his part. The counselor keeps his part.
Ummm. Yeahhhhhh....
I sincerely doubt there are many counselors who actually DO keep their parts of the blue card (and even fewer who could actually lay hands on it if ever asked). Expecting counselors to do so is a quaint fantasy.
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10 hours ago, nkaye said:
Are there any active FB groups for Scouters. It seems that a much larger audience could be reached and more resources shared there... I am part of a couple great hiking groups that would translate so awesomely to scouts. Regional groups... closed groups only open to people with current YPT? Anything like that out there?
You are absolutely correct....a lot of things CAN be shared when you're active on FB.
Like all your personal data being shared with marketers, identity thieves, and Russian agents who want to foment unrest in the U.S. Your kids can become ripe targets for profiling and identity thieves too! Even if you "opt out" of all data sharing and set your device's privacy settings to the max, Facebook still harvests and sells your data. There's all sorts of sharing that can go on behind your back when you are on FB!!
And if you think I'm exaggerating even a smidgen, you might want to actually investigate the facts before you speak. *MOST* adults in the U.S. know shockingly little about the information that is being collected (and often stolen) by big tech companies like Facebook. Did you know that just a few weeks ago, Facebook was fined more than $5 billion for violating lax U.S. privacy laws? Several European cases have also resulted in billions in fines and judgments against Facebook.
For those who don't keep up with cybersecurity issues, here's a good starting point to getting to know Facebook (it's "good" because it contains many links to specific instances and other general discussions.):
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/facebook-data-privacy-scandal-a-cheat-sheet/-
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Yet again....another Boy Scout troop's trailer targeted by thieves...
https://abc13.com/boy-scout-trailer-worth-$5000-stolen-in-spring-/5459166/
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20 hours ago, Jameson76 said:
Not downplaying the severity of the charges or impact on the BSA and Eagle Scouts; wonder if he earned Entrepreneurship, American Business, or Truck Transportation Merit Badges? Also assume he got to see the essential elements of Fingerprinting Merit Badge up close and personal.
He could probably have knocked out a few requirements for Crime Prevention too. Requirement 7b is to visit a jail or criminal court hearing....bet he has no trouble getting that one signed off!
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On 8/6/2019 at 2:10 PM, SteveMM said:
... With that said, they were VERY impressed with his project. He collected 2,000 donated books for an organization and built a bookshelf to house them.
That sounds like one *BIG* bookshelf!
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I love hearing about places like this. Too many of our High Adventure discussions revolve around only the "big 4" national high adventure bases. There are plenty of regional and council-run bases where scouts can have amazing experiences. Some troops even "roll their own" treks....I'd really love to hear more about those kinds of trips!
Keep on trekkin'!
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22 hours ago, Saltface said:
I second the use of metal pans. One chicken feed pan on top another (bottom to bottom) will insulate your coals from the cold wet ground.
It's also a good way to implement a Leave No Trace philosophy in your unit. Building a fire on these metal pans won't scorch the ground and makes it easier to truly "leave no trace" that you ever camped at the site.
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As if having a bad quality, overpriced product weren't bad enough, our council is enforcing a rule that scouts selling popcorn need to have a smartphone on which they download a commercial app.
Is *NOBODY* in scouting looking out for the interests of parents and scouts?
It's hard enough to monitor our kids' electronics usage without adult scouters stepping over their boundaries by intruding into parental oversight territory. Whether or not my kid has a smart phone should have NO impact on what scouting activities he can do. And NOBODY in scouting has any right to dictate to parents what software they load on their kids' phones.
Cybersecurity and digital privacy are HUGE issues these days.
Forcing kids to adopt electronics usage puts scouting on the wrong side of the parent-child relationship. It's bad policy.
(As if any of us really needed "yet one more reason NOT to support el-lame-o popcorn sales"...)
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On 7/29/2019 at 10:28 AM, Pale Horse said:
From what I hear from my GS friends, the unit's return on cookies isn't nearly as good as it is for popcorn. Somewhere in the 15-20% range goes to the troop, as opposed to popcorn where 35% stays with the unit (and ~35% to council). I do envy the cookies ability to sell themselves, but the profit margin is terrible.
Well, Mr. Horse, if it's profit margin you seek, your troop might want to look into selling Krispy Kreme donuts (45% margin to troop) or Country Meats meat sticks (again, 45% to the troop).
The disadvantage to these, from the council perspective, is that all the profit is retained by the troop, whereas, overpriced lame popcorn nets the council a cut of the take. Never mind that, while the margin might be good, the volume is HORRIBLE because everybody knows the popcorn isn't a very good product, it's obscenely overpriced, and it's complicated to sell with too many products at too many price points. Girl Scouts might only be seeing a 15-20% margin, but when girls routinely sell $1K+ of product that net sure is a bigger pile of $$$ than the Boy Scouts with their 35% from scouts routinely selling ZERO.
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1 minute ago, perdidochas said:
My late Dad, and my father-in-law (both in their 80s) talked about this.
Wow! No wonder the Village People thought it was so fun to stay at the YMCA...
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Thieves just can't seem to get enough of stealing troop trailers!
This week another tale of a missing trailer....this time in sunny Florida...
https://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/clay-county/thieves-snag-boy-scout-trailer-full-of-equipment -
4 hours ago, Liz said:
So... this month, our Pack went to Day Camp the first week in July.
Our family was on vacation out of state that week. So my daughter attended Day Camp the 2nd week in July in a neighboring District, without her Pack.Since she did participate in a major Cub Scout activity in July, even though she didn't participate WITH her Pack, who also did participate in the activity, just at a different time, does she qualify for the Summertime Pack Award (she attended the June event and will attend two events in August).
This is a relatively big question for me since we anticipate our allotted week at our vacation cabin to ALWAYS interfere with our District's Day Camp dates. I'm actually pondering enrolling my next Cub in a Pack in a neighboring District when she's old enough, just so she will be able to attend Day Camp with her Pack.
One way to ensure that your kids have a scout event to take part in when it fits your schedule is to make it happen. Maybe arrange a group swim one evening...or a potluck picnic in the park.
As another person suggested here, 2 pack events per summer month could benefit a lot of vacationing families.
Good luck!
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1 hour ago, fred8033 said:
Hmmm.... Our troop has brought the health forms for troop members in the past, but we've never requested them of the average helper.
Sounds to me like a sure-fire way to discourage people from wanting to help the scouts...
I know that mindless bureaucracy and paperwork sure does dampen MY enthusiasm....
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25 minutes ago, Jameson76 said:
If we exceed the number in December does the council plan to hold off on EBOR's to sandbag some for 2020?
I think they should be able to save up "Eagle credits" for years they miss their targets. They can also sell their "Eagle credits" to low-performing councils....kind of like companies trading carbon offsets. Who knows, a whole new kind of futures market might be created!
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5 minutes ago, Cleveland Rocks said:
He's actually not from New York, but from outside Cleveland, Ohio. It just got picked from the wire by the Daily News. Still a great story, though.
Right you are! Thanks for reading more closely than I did. The location didn't hit me because I was reading it on New York Daily News....still a great story, absolutely!
Cheers!
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From 1910 to 1948, scouts were expected to do a solo outdoor experience in order to complete their First Class Rank. Here is a sample of the requirement from the 1936 Scout Handbook...
"5. Make a round trip alone or with another Scout by foot or rowboat to a point at least 7 miles away, and write a satisfactory account of the trip & things observed."
Earlier versions of that requirement suggested the trip be done over 2 days.
Source: "BSA Rank Advancement Requirements, 1910–2018", http://www.troop97.net/pdfbin/bsa_ranks.pdf
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44 minutes ago, RichardB said:
Actually, agree with the don't try this. If you do this as part of the BSA as some have mentioned you would be leaving kids without Two Deep Leadership, a core part of Scouting's Barriers to Abuse.
I'd say, "Don't try this as part of an official BSA activity, but DO try it (and challenging activities like it) independently, outside of scouting."
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1 minute ago, Eagledad said:
When I was a scout, the scouts in our troop who attended the OA Ordeal weekend came back a different more mature person. The requirements of that Ordeal are considered hazing today.
It seems today's culture feels that growth gained from enduring the strain of designed purposeful circumstances is not considered healthy.
A challenge is always good for character building. It's the only way to gain useful experience.
In my opinion, denying kids the chance to actually do something outside their comfort zone ensures they will be ill-equipped to compete in the real world as functioning adults.
That woman who wrote the book about "Free Range Kids" is really on to something...
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Benjamin Hardy is a man who made many mistakes in his life. I can tell that because his writing reflect experience and wisdom. He passed on to me two observations that I'd like to share with you: 1) the power of desire, and 2) the power of now.
Hardy says that If you have a dream, and you really want to make it reality, you are the one who needs to make it happen.
When was the last time you did a workout where you literally put everything into it?
When was the last time you really tried, I mean REALLY tried, at anything?
If you’re like most people, you’re probably putting half-thought and half-effort into most of what you’re doing.
Paul Arden, the famed designer and author, once said, “Don’t look for the next opportunity. The one you have in hand is the opportunity.” He also said, “Too many people spend too much time trying to perfect something before they actually do it. Instead of waiting for perfection, run with what you got, and fix it along the way.”
If you want something bad enough, you’ll make it happen. However, if you don’t want something, even the best of strategies won’t serve you.
Too many of us don't achieve everything we want because we don't take the first step on the road towards the goal. If we really, REALLY want something, we need to act to make it happen. The only sure way to never achieve a goal is to never start.
There is an ancient Chinese proverb that says, “The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.”
What tree do you want to plant? When will you plant it?
New Committee Chair for a New Troop
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Interesting. It seems to me that Wood Badge is usually attended by SMs or ASMs. I can't think of any committee members I know who have gone to Wood Badge.