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How is this different than any other part of life?  Scouting is what you make of it.   A Scout is Cheerful.  A Scout is Brave.

I believe he is registered as a committee member, and would like to be an ACM.  He's not wearing an adult position insignia, he just kinda looks like an adult in uniform.

I found his spoof knot ...more of a social statement item,  an "inclusive scouting knot."

I will ask him how all this silliness strengthens his application to be an ACM.  Thanks for your help, everyone.

He is wearing this spoof patch on his uniform, not the proper one posted by EmberMike. Sorry for the confusion

There is no "trained" patch just "paper trained."

I believe the issue is that he is appearing as an adult leader when he is not. Young cubs cannot tell difference between one adult from another, in uniform.

We have a parent wearing  his adult uniform to Pack meetings and activities.

He does not hold a leadership position in the Pack, nor has he completed any position-specific training, ever. He wants to be an Asst. Cubmaster but has not completed any of the position training for that role.

He has current YPT, and operated in years past as a Committee Chair without any position-specific training, as indicated in his record at my.scouting.org

Simple Question:  Am I correct in saying he cannot wear the uniform to activities since he is not a "trained" adult leader in the unit?

To make matters worse he is an Eagle Scout, and has adorned his uniform with a spoof knots and a silly "_______ trained" patch.

Two merit badges max.

Chow Hall.

1/2 day per troop at rifle range

Baker Tents with cots

20-mile day hike

Salt water Mile Swim. (same summer Jaws came out)

Daily free swim & boating.

Wild Pigs in camp ever night while the adults hiked 2 miles into two to the bar.

Contraband fireworks (back then).

Patch trading

Making amends by serving on KP or KYBO cleaning

Faux indigenous campfire ceremonies

Night fishing

Night hikes

# 12 Interact with great roles models

I remember many of the camp* staff showed that one could be accomplished, skilled, true to the scouting ideals, and be cool all at the time. Most all of them were Eagle Scouts.  Far more impressive than the adults we had with us.

*Camp Emerald Bay, Camp Cherry Valley, Camp Pico Blanco

I recently applied to NESA. They could not find a record of my Eagle award but they had those of my father and grandfather. 

Luckily my original documentation from National remained safe all these years. My NESA contact was very helpful and professional.

I contacted my original lodge and council for OA records. neither seems set up to search files or reply to email.

The program was called "Strengthen the Arm of Liberty" program and kicked off in 1949. I believe it was in response to a growing Cold War threat.

 You can find brass neckerchief slides on eBay with the Statue of Liberty and the same tagline, Strengthen the Arm of Liberty.  The were available with the Cub and BS logos. Wikipedia and Facebook have pages dedicate to the statues.  1949 newspaper clippings from my father's council-wide ECOH told off a huge and impressive presentation for this program, as part this big event.*

The scouts were a logical vehicle for such a patriotic campaign with their history civil defense preparation, war bond sales, and positive public image.

*1700 in attendance

I'm torn between the laziness/ignorant concept ......

Why not huddle the POR team and have the SPL lead a session to document POR job descriptions and prerequisites. Then have the SPL and former POR holder see that the replacements accept, understand, and can execute* their new responsibilities.

The SPL in the keeper of the PORs, current and future.

* Obviously this requires some coaching and a transition period, but surely the boys can handle this.

To me this thread comes down to a simple question:  As an adult leader which is more import,  personal choice or roll modeling common sense outdoor behavior that the scouts can emulate and succeed at.

While I may wear sandals on a personal trip with my buddies, I'm not going show them off at scout camp if the kids are expected to be in closed shoes for obvious safety reasons. I'll find something that works for me and the guidelines.

I also have no problem telling a parent their kid's chance of completing an outing, healthfully, is going to be less with improper footwear.  I  believe it is asking a lot of an energetic 13-year old not to cream his feet , on rough terrain, in a pair of outdoor sport sandals. 

A kid leaving an outing early, is a lost opportunity.

No body at ours, old guard*, wood badgers, or new-no-nothings are going to come up an introduce themselves. People are shy or exclusive.

Round tables are what you make of them.  Wear a name tag, come with some good questions, work the crowd, and find the person who can help you or at least you are willing talk to again, next time.

In my case, after three meetings  the DE knows me by name, answers my calls, and has advised my CC on some bad-adult behavior in our unit.

*Make those rows of knots and wood badge neckerchiefs work for you.

Tell the know-nothings what someone did for you.

Lead the change...you are the customer.

Another late to the party question* ......When did adult female leaders start getting inducted into the OA?

Here at Chief Seattle Council I'm noticing some woman wearing the lodge flap at district and council events.

* away from Scouting for 40 years.

Your OA flap and arrow dangle should be enough to indicate membership in the Order for an ECOH.  Add the sash to your personal history display, if you have one.

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When did the MB U phenomena start?  Who is driving this corner-cutting: national, council or misguided parents? My Webelos  son will be in a troop in about 14 months and it would benefit to more about this.

As a scout in the early to mid 70's no one came back from summer camp with more than 2 MBs, and these were usually ones unique to camp, or super time consuming to do at home (lifesaving, oceanography, pioneering, canoeing, etc.) During the school year one was lucky if they averaged three per quarter.

In Chief Seattle Council it was as simple as sending an email to the council office  and getting the original chartering date back a few days later. Our Cub Pack is 78 years old and no one knew it.

I attended the 1975 WSJ as a participant.  

Which patch should be worn? US Contingent (rather cluttered with Bicentennial stuff) or the International issue (elegant woven silk one).

Is it worn above the right pocket or  in the temporary location? This would go my COH shirt and not the weekly user.

Thank you, Tahawk. 

Does anyone have a picture of this patch?

My grandfather completed his Eagle at age 38, as an ASM in 1947, Buffalo, NY. Other pictures  show him as a youth Life Scout in approximately 1922-1925.

My father earned his two years later.  The 1949 COH* picture I have of them shows the elder wearing his Eagle rank patch and medal on his ASM uniform.

* All council COH, 7 Eagles awarded, 8 Silver Beavers, Numerous Scouter's Keys, an elaborate "Strengthen the Arm of Liberty" campaign kick off, and 1700 in attendance.

Any idea what the diamond-shaped patch would be on the adult's right sleeve near the cuff?

DSJ_FOS_Easgle picture.pdf

The shinny, fully embroidered  leader position  patch indicated "Trained".

I cannot imagine what this guy saw.

"Daniel Konzelman was one of thousands of commuters barreling along a highway outside Seattle on Monday morning when the emergency response training he learned as an Eagle Scout kicked in."

http://komonews.com/news/local/commuters-help-people-out-of-derailed-train-comfort-victims

A second vote for the wilderness instructor belt.  Is that a Scouter or Park Ranger in the first picture? I'm not seeing any scout insignia or badges?

Not a big fan of anything that looks like law-enforcement or military issue with a scout uniform including camo. No point in adding confusion to the general public's notions about Scouting's alleged affiliations with gov't entities.

Secondly, as former mountaineering and wilderness skills instructor, I avoided carrying things in my pockets, on my belt, or  outside my pack because these things can caught or pulled off, and lost in brush and undergrowth.

Lastly, my survival kit is inside my daypack. If one thinks they need survival tools on there person at all  times, I'd encourage them to stop, and ask themselves, "What am I doing outdoors that is going to create a spontaneous survival situation or separate me from my ten essentials." 

Other than crashing an aircraft into a remote wilderness, or the odd shipwreck on an uninhabited coastline;  most wilderness survival situations  can be traced back to one or more poor decisions (AKA: bad judgment), over a period of time.

Craig, who spent 13 year teaching people how to avoid survival situations and still have fun, in  remote wilderness settings.

Polish scout escapes  Auschwitz by impersonating German officer. In yesterdays Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/kazimierz-piechowski-early-auschwitz-prisoner-who-led-a-risky-escape-by-car-dies-at-98/2017/12/17/e77ded92-e33e-11e7-a65d-1ac0fd7f097e_story.html?utm_term=.d45ba54d9fbd