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Not quite. It reads: "some early adopter councils are continuing that enthusiasm into spring recruiting, with registration options for girls available to all councils starting June 11, 2018." There is an option, if they choose, for June but not all early adopter councils are beginning June 11. Some, like mine, are waiting until next Aug.

@Hawkwin, why doesn't your pack follow BSA requirements for early adopter packs? You can't have a den of one girl. Where are the other girls in your pack? From BSA's early adopter program Q&A https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/familyscouting/pdf/Early-Adopter-Program-AQ.pdf 3) Chartered partners and unit leaders confirm interest and agree to use the family pack model, and that they will: a. Register a minimum of four girls into a new all-girl den of an existing pack, (Dens are formed with Cub Scouts in the same grade or required ages for the ranks of Lion, Tiger,

if you are writing about your daughter, then your pack isn't doing "early adopter" right.

I think @qwazse and @TampaTurtle are spot on. Those units will do what they want, and with tour permits being a thing of the past, they will get away with it unless there is a crisis of some sort. Look at all the people applauding BSA4G who say their pack has had girls take part in every activity, meeting and outing for years. District and council professionals have to have known about all that, and either said nothing or told them they cant do that (wink wink)

@Eagledad, your experience mirrors mine. Why is it that the adults who were never Scouts resist training and mentoring, and scream the loudest about changes away from a "sign off-focused" program. And if mom or dad was a pack's CC or CM and now are CC or whatever with the troop, the SM is bound to get headaches. I remember feeling sorry for some Scouts when we got back to the parking lot after a campout, and mom or dad were waiting to pick up their son said "Hi son. Did you have fun? Did you get lots of sign offs?"

In 11 years of being a Crew Advisor, I have never had a female or male member who is not an OA member express any interest in OA. One young man was also our Chapter Chief, and later Lodge Secretary. Everybody thought that was cool but there was never any interest in joining him. just my experience. Ymmv

The hitch historically is that girls cannot earn First Class as a Boy Scout, and the only way for males to earn First Class is through their troop, which is where males would have been elected. so crews cannot hold OA elections because their members do not meet eligibility requirements.

How could they earn First Class in time?

@Eagledad good post. this National guideline also has two other purposes. First, it forces Scouts to talk to their SM first, rather than get a blue card at the Scout Shop and go see any MBC without ever meeting with SM. Secondly, there is a marginal element of protecting MBC privacy because it prevents people from widely sharing full contact info in list form for all MBC.

Your troop does not follow Guide to Advancement?

@Scoutmaster Teddy the Election Team should have had an Adult Advisor with them for the election. All of them should have been from another troop. what I am really curious about is how somebody edited the nights on the troops web site. Who had access to that? If you don’t mind sharing...

Yes, absolutely agree. The SM was clearly wrong last year, the election team should not have acquiesced to the request, and Adult Advisor should have been running interference.

Spot on advice from @qwazse I was SM for 5 years and was one of the Adult Advisors working with our Chapter's Elections Teams for 50+ elections over the years, so I saw it in my troop as well as at other troops. This happens, and is a learning opportunity for growth.

I have been asking for this for years and am glad it finally happened.

It is not a “should” question. Can a SM recommend or encourage? Absolutely. Forbid or deny, No.

To apply as an early adopter pack, the pack must create an accelerated advancement program so any girl who wants to can advance a rank (not Bobcat) by May 31. This plan must be approved by the local council before allowing the pack to be an early adopter

You are getting no direction from the CM?? You do realize you cannot have a den of one girl, right? Plus you need a female co-DL or ADL. And as for adding more girls to the den or pack, as an early adopter pack, the window has closed and you cannot accept more girls until next fall. https://www.scouting.org/familyscouting/ https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/familyscouting/pdf/Early-Adopter-Program-AQ.pdf

So many questions with this situation as it does not follow National’s clearly articulated and well publicized guidelines for early-adopter packs.... Where are the CM and CC in all this? Didn’t they need to agree to early-adopter practices with your Council? Is your Council not requiring the pack to follow said practices?

Den of one girl and you don't know how many other girls are in the pack? National has stipulated that early adopter packs must, among other things, "Register a minimum of 4 girls into an existing pack in an all-girl den" If there less than four girls of the same age, all of the girls should be in one den of mixed ages. Is your pack not following National directives?

By units do you mean packs, or has there been other info from National? regarding girls joining OA and Venturing/Exploring unit’s being eligible, was this formally communicated from National? And if so, please provide a link.

gblotter is entitled to his opinion. Oh, I know.... Agree to disagree

It does not make you the District Chair. It makes you a COR who showed up at the annual district meeting to exercise their voting right.

I just did a quick search and came up with these examples. Then I got depressed and quit. The first one may be the worst. Cascade Pacific Council Girls' Camp at Butte Creek and Camp Clark Many, many parents of Scouts attending our resident camps have said "it'd be wonderful if I could bring my daughter, too. She'd love it!" Now you can! Bring girls age 8-13 and their girl-friends to Butte Creek or Camp Clark for the same great program as the regular Scout camp. Long Beach Area Council Family Camp at Camp Tahquitz A camping opportunity tailored for your family. DATES:

I have been associated with three different councils as an adult. I cannot see any of them not following National’s direction. So yes, local camp experience will absolutely be driven by National’s “guidance,” and “suggestion.”

Did National ask youth what they thought about girls in Boy Scout troops? I know some adults made sure to send the survey to several Venturers and OA eboard members who took the survey. Those young men are all against girls in troops. Venturing and Exploring are different and the guys are ok with that. interestingly, all the girls in my crew are against it as well.