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  1. This is painful for recruiting Lions/Tigers. Add in the uniform cost, Pack dues and you can get to $200+ just to join Cub Scouts fairly quickly.
  2. Every LC should use this version of the charter agreement. It provides much more clarity in terms of liability of the scouting unit. I'm not saying it is better for units, just for LCs.
  3. I hid some posts that deviated from the bankruptcy topic. Feel free to start new topics as desired.
  4. Hopefully we hear soon. BSA is down to $38.6M of unrestricted cash in May down from $45.6M in April.
  5. It goes to the Girl Scout model. There should be ownership of units. Most charters do not have the capacity or desire to actually own the units. Therefore, it should fall on the BSA through councils. Councils could ensure oversight by interviewing unit leaders (the CC & SM/CM). Ensuring they are trained for their position. Then allowing them to run the show with the rest of the leaders (checking on YPT). Perhaps councils limit units based on area. Perhaps they even have to limit # of scouts per unit if they grow too large vs the number of trained leaders they have. UMC
  6. Unfortunately both of these organizations are in decline as well. Our local AL sold their building and may be closed. They probably aren't bad short term. BSA will likely need this new agreement as I expect more and more units having issues finding decent charters. Having a way that clearly addresses "ownership" will help some organizations accept units.
  7. As part of the plan, BSA councils are kicking in an extra $100M that would have gone to pension fund as the councils said the fund was already larger than needed at the time of the plan. I definitely agree most claimants would be better off in Ch 11, but some would be better off in Ch 7. I certainly hope the judge comes back with an approval as it seems like we are running out of time. At some point they will hit cash flow issues. As long as Jambo 2023 is on, I think we are ok. If you see BSA cancel 2023 it may be a sign the bankruptcy is taking too long and they need to save cash.
  8. It is not clear how everyone would be treated. First regarding assets available. Everything is sold. However, there could be deed restrictions that will be fought in court over Philmont (and perhaps other based). Those legal fights could take months to years. What about Trademarks? The Eagle Scouts rank could be valuable; however, does the congressional charter prevent that being sold to a for profit business? Who knows what comes up. Then on claims. The TCC already filed an adversarial hearing over the JP Morgan debt. That will go forward and there is definitely a decent
  9. I've mentioned NICA (Mountain Bike Youth Race League) in the past. In their coaches training, they emphasized how to coach skills and how not to coach skills. They showed a picture of a bunch of youth sitting in a group looking bored out of their minds. That was under the how not to coach a skill. That picture (of the bored youth) could be taken at many summer camp merit badge sessions I have seen over the last several years. BSA seems to be, in practice, doing exactly what other organizations are saying what not to do. Why should we be surprised to see our numbers falling.
  10. In this Troop they are. They have the SPL, ASPL at the head table. Patrols then site at tables. Then they work on advancement at their tables from planning outings to advancement. I think BSA needs to relook at the program given what youth need today. That is tough as it varies a lot by income and location. However, if I were to simplify BSA methods I would: Prioritize #1 Outdoors - I think outdoors makes BSA a bit unique and can be fun. Downside is that some scouts more focused on STEM (which are a lot) would likely drop. #2 Patrols - Again, unique to BSA and a key
  11. My son just asked his best friend why he dropped out of scouting (from another troop). He said Boy Scouts is 10 hours of boring meetings for every weekend of camping. He can just go camping without the boring meetings. Another scouting friend said the same thing. I am debating if we stop indoor meetings as much as possible.
  12. I should also mention, this is definitely a unique & complex case, so there is a definite possibility it is jut taking a long time to consider the plan. Silverstein noted at a hearing for selling the distribution center that the findings the BSA and plan proponents are asking her to make in confirming the plan present her with issues that she has never previously faced as a bankruptcy judge. "Quite frankly, probably none of my previous rulings in eight years really dealt with this particular type of issue, where there are such extensive findings that people are asking me to make, and
  13. This one took 8 days between the hearing and plan approval. This one took 48 days between hearing & rejection. However, that included both Thanksgiving & Christmas breaks. Somewhat concerning that the approval took only 8 days but a rejection took a month and a half. I know just two examples ... but we should be ready for a rejection (or a hearing/quick fix) situation. I struggle to see why she would need >60 days to approve this. Definitely a possibility ... just a bit concerning.
  14. It sounds like a the scout did nothing wrong but yet he is faced with a five day suspension? I fully agree with investigating, but once the truth was apparent stop the suspension and clear his name. Now, the video editing youth should face punishment.
  15. We are now two months after the hearing ended. I'm shocked it is taking this long. Articles from early May indicated people thought the judge would be back "soon". BSA likely has 1 shot at this ... if district or appeals reject the plan, I'm not sure BSA has the cash to withstand the impact. Plus ... I start wondering the impact on BSA from inflation, higher interest rates, market crash (impacting endowments), etc. They really need to exit bankruptcy soon and I'm not sure anyone thought it would take more than 2 months for a decision. This article (not sure if it was posted previ
  16. Looks like the debtors & settling insurers agreed to the delay. This came from an objection to the delay of litigation until Sept 12, 2022 (it was a quote from the hearing) So ... one way I look at this. - BSA during the hearing argued that state court cases (primarily with insurance companies) be allowed 90 days after plan approval. - BSA THEN submitted a request in early May that the judge delay state court cases until September 12th. - Insurance companies objected saying, among other things, that BSA argued for 90 days ... why do they need more? Just give
  17. I do wonder given the timing if we are not looking at an approval. The judge said she would be back with a ruling soon (at the close of the hearing) AND mentioned multiple times she knew timing was critical. I would have thought if it was a straight plan approval we would have heard by now. Yes, she has to work on the wording of her ruling/order, but I can't imagine that taking months. There is a chance ... but each day that passes makes me think a straight plan approval is not in the cards. I also expect a full out rejection of the plan is also not likely. Again, if she saw thi
  18. We have discussed, in the past, the differences between UK scout leadership (open meetings, smaller board, etc.) and BSA. UK Scouting has seen record membership growth since 2013, though it was impacted by Covid (and now since seen a bounce). BSA ...well, you have seen our numbers. Then ... I look at what is going on in the UK (just the first few videos I found): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1V4THmgTEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBH8Mzf65iI https://twitter.com/BearGrylls/status/1488554069341917189 If you watch the last video, there are 10,000 people who are
  19. Primarily because everyone will have moved on. During the trial, there were expert witnesses who indicated there could be a large number of false claims. There are also those who indicated that there are others who didn't file claims. BSA will want to move on. I don't think it would help for them to argue, 10-15-20 years from now that ... hey, we had a less rapes than reported.
  20. 53 days since the hearing closed How are we to read the tea leaves where there is no tea nor leaves. I took a look at some of her past rulings ... and her approvals seemed to come fast (days/weeks after the hearing). I did see she rejected the Vivus plan but kept the record open to avoid killing the plan. Then after some additional work from the DOJ and others, she approved the plan a month later. Who knows ... but 53+ days is a long time.
  21. Directed by Irene Taylor, Executive Producer Brian Grazer & Ron Howard Streaming on Hulu & release scheduled in New York & LA June 16 Will focus on alleged century-long sexual abuse cover-up by the Boy Scouts of America. It will also explore the declining membership and bankruptcy case. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/boy-scouts-doc-trailer-abuse-scandal-leave-no-trace-1235159517/
  22. I like the spirit of this idea; however, I doubt most if any scouts can really do a great job on a statue. I could only imagine an arm falling off in a year or two. Perhaps scouts can help spot weld some of the pieces together and a few professional welders can finish with good clean tig welds. I would be more optimistic if they just cut the statue in half or thirds. They really cut it up a lot. I wonder if it would be better to just melt down the bronze and have someone do a new casting.
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