Bob White

Rooster7-The complete requirement reads Demonstrate Scout spirit by living the Scout Oath (Promise) and Scout Law in your everday life. The measure of scout spirit is a by the characteristics defined in the Boy Scout Handbook. If a Troop was chaqrtered to a Jewish temple. the temple is well within its rights to say this troop is for the development of the youth of our temple only. If a Catholic boy wanted to join, the troop must say "I'm sorry but this troop is for Jewish members only". If that same temple determines that the troop is open to all the youth in the community, th

Hi OGE, I guess I'll take a crack at this before I head to bed. The patrol methods has two tiers. The first Scoutmaster trains Junior Leaders, Junior leaders operate the troop. As I see it this is a training dilema not an operations one. My first thought was for you to have a counseling session with him. Ask him how he felt being SPL and how he felt the other patrol Leaders gave him the opportunity to lead. Ask him if he feels he is giving the current SPL the same respect the PLs gave him. Ask him what he could do to help the current SPL enjoy his short time in office and have the learn

Eisely, I feel you have misrepresented my earlier posts or at the least misunderstood them. I did say that the Policies of the BSA are clear and I also agree they are rigid. That is why they are called policies. They are the unbendable rules. They cover Uniform, Safety, and Advancement. When a policy says "you can't" it means you can't., not 'you shouldn't' or 'well if you really have to. It means No. The Methods of Scouting, the Ideals, tht Patrol Method, the Outdoor Program, the Advancement Program, Adult Association, Personal Growth, and Leadership Development, are the things th

Luke, Please fix the edit function. My typos are embarrassing.

OOPS! Then I brought out the uniform pool.

NJCubScouter, Unless you've already sewn on patches, go back and get the short sleeve shirt. They will fit your son a lot longer. Bob PS. Met with a patrol of New scouts tonight, along with their parents. The Troop Guide put on a display on how to prepare your gear for a campout. Afterward I talked to the parents about the scout uniform. All the Boys have the shirt and the belt already. I explained what the purpose of the uniform was and that we would like to have the boys in feull uniform by the next Court of honor in three months. I said if if anyone needed financial help that it

Sure you can recognize her. You can give her thank you stuff, pins, certificates, gratitude, fellowship. She can still get the trained strip, it doesn't matter what unit she is in when she gets it, she's still trained. She could spend her tenure for her cubscout knot registered with the pack, then register to the troop and get her Training Award knot as a troop committee member. She can still attend woodbadge, She still gets her service stars. There is not a single recognition that she couldn't recieve. Bob

The traditions of scouting lay in our Duty to God and Country, Duty to Others and Duty to self. Not in our choice of hairstyle or jewelry. I respect a chartering organization's right to set its own membership requirements that upholds its ideals and beliefs. I expect Scout Leaders to deliver the scouting program not their personal customized version of it in a scout uniform. I believe your statements reflect predjudice because you pre-judge the behavior of people based on a physical characteristic. Scouting discriminates. We take a known behavior make a determination as to whe

k9gold scout, The red jacket you have with the scout patch and as such is intended to be worn as designated in the Insignia guide. You will be pleased to know there are no uniform police. For 92 years the program has relied upon the character of it's it volunteer's to follow the rules and regulations of the BSA as they promised when they signed their membership form. For millions of adults and youth how have come through the program the inate drive to do the right thing and set a good example is all the enforcement that has every been needed.

That all depends tdyer. What specific jacket are you refering to? If it is a official scout uniform jacket, no. The All official scout jackets and wool jack-shirt may only carry a specific and limited set of patches in specific locations. You will find the details in the Insignia Guide. The OA pocket flap is not approved for these uniform pieces. If it is a non-uniform jacket you can put anything you choose on it. Bob White

Congratulations to your son NJCubScouter for reaching his new rank. the only problem you ran into is that shirts come in specific sizes and boys don't. I am not sugesting that all larges in all shirts are the same size because they're not, It's just that at some moments in every boys development, nothing fits right. I think you had the right strategy. Buy a little large without looking like you're wearing a tent.(and buy the short sleeve shirt not the long sleeve) We bought our sons Boy Scout Uniform when he was a 2nd year Webelos, two days ago he turned 14 and the shirt still

Hi rwb380, page 88 of the boy scout handbook describes the service project as benefitting others, the community or the environment. featherswillfly gave some very good examples. He is also correct that there can be no reward, in addition, it cannot benefit scouting, your unit, or a business. Bob

featherswillfly The mom can help both Units as long as she only registers in one. That will violate neither the churches rules or scoutings. Bob

Featherswillfly, Our apologies. Youre right we never really discussed your specific problem. If I understand the initial issue. Your Charter Organization has a standing rule for all church volunteers that says, if they are on a church committee they cannot serve on any other committee outside the church. Unfortunately, if that is the case, there is not a solution through scouting avenues. The BSA has no authority over the rules of the CO unless they directly violate a BSA policy. I can only recommend that you discuss the issue with the Pastor. Remind him the importance of the

Evmori, Nowhere in mommascout's post does she say I am a better leader than you. She says that we are vastly different leaders. I think even you have to agree with this. In my postings I have said the scout program, as it is written, works. It works in thousands of scout troops. Nowhere have I said my way is better, I have said the BSA program is better. But as we all agree we are different. The Boy Scout Handbook promises scouts individual Patrol Activities. Evmori says, that in all his years of training he has never heard of patrol activities. The Scoutmaster Handbook and

Featherswillfly, You are confusing two positions in scouting, with two positions in the same unit. In accordance with the first policy (Seen in bold type face) of the Guide to Safe Scouting, no adult can register on the charter in two positions in the same UNIT. Being an OA member is not a position on the unit charter. But,yes, to be in the OA you must be reagistered with a unit in some position. Hope this helps, Bob

mommascout, I understand your enthusiasm and I apreciate you your comments. Mostly though I respect the fact that you understand what the program is all about. Bob

ScouterPaul, Thanks for trusting me to make the right decision.

Hi ScouterPaul, The recommended process is that the boys have the process explained to them and that each scout will get to be the Patrol Leader. You explain that after they reach first class they will hold the position for at least 6 months. So to start with lets try a patrol election to see who gets to go first. That person will get to select an Assistant Patrol Leader. Next month the Assistant Patrol Leader will become the Patrol Leader and he will get to select a new Asst. Patrol Leader. we will keep going every 30 days until everyone get a chance to do both jobs. Then we will hold

OK here is my suggestion, bearing mind if your going to give a room a new coat of paint you will need to spend more time in the preparation then you do in actually painting. There are tools to gather, surfaces to prepare and furniture to move. the actual painting takes far less time. Getting adults to change takes time and preparation to as well, and there are some tools to gather. I would arrange with you local district training team for basic training for the entire committee. We took a meeting night and while the boys held their troop meeting in one room, with the SM and an ASM

Fscouter, I'd be glad to help. I need some info first. What is their job in the troop. What is your best guess as to why they don't wear the uniform? How necessary are they to the successful delivery of the scouting program to the boys? be as objective as possible. Bob

I really don't see how this could happen using the the Patrol Method I described. A lot of steps would have to fail for the tape to get there. BUT, if it did show up, I would again ask the SPL if he thought this was appropriate and give him the opportunity to have the tape put away. If he said knew it was there, and he approved it, I would point out that the scouts are not old enough to veiw this material and that I expected better leadership from him than that. Only then would I take away the tape, because of my responsibility for the safety and welfare of the scouts. By the way th

The title to this thread was supposed to be-How Could the Patrol Method have solved this. Sorry OTD (old timer's desease)

I said in my first post that these are common traits I see in units who are successful in getting scouts to wear their full uniforms. I also never said that I would not toss or dismiss an adult who was not in uniform. I said I would not recriut an adult who refused to wear the uniform. If your son wanted to be on the football team but refused to wear the uniform, I'm sure he would not be asked to be on the team. I feel the same way about an adult in scouting, if he or she wants to be on the team they need to be in uniform. They need to play scouting by the methods of scouting,

OGE, I have a good friend who is the Council Exec. in Chester County Council.