Bob White

shemgren, Do you know any scouters in Eden Prairie? Bob

Hey, heres an excercise that could be fun. I saw this done at a Commissioners College. baden Powell fely there wasn't any troop problem (we are not talking adult volunteer problems) that couldn't be solved by the Patrol Method. We were all asked to give a real life situation, nothing fabricated, having to do with troop or patrol operations or activities. we broke into groups and had to identify how the patrol method could slve the probem. It helped alot of people to see what BP meant and to see that the methods were as valid today as over 90-years ago. I encourage every to play. Give a pr

As Scoutmaster the R rated would never have arrived at camp. The campout would have been planned at the Patrol Leaders Council. If videos were to be played the Senior patrol Leader would have asked for the titles of what was to be viewed, or guidelines would have been set by the PLC as to what could be brought. If R rated materials were involved I would ask the SPL if he thought that was appropriate. If I've done my job, as a trainer of leaders, I know what that answer will be and the problem would be resolved. It was solved not because I told them what to do, but because I asked them what wou

Evmori, Would you advise a doctor to quit learning, or a police officer to not improve his marksmanship, or a firfighter to not hone his skills? The only time I give chapter and verse is when I have to give proof to scouters that what they are doing is not what the program is. I'm showing this is not my opinion this is the rule of the program I signed an agreement to follow. AND it works. Why, when you say you're a scoutmaster and by your own admition you do not follow the methods of the program, do you get angry at the message and the messenger. If you are a lawyer shouldn't you fol

Let's try that again with correct spelling. Evmori, This is a huge program with thousands of units. I realize that you probably took every precaution, but not everyone does. As stated before the problem with trusting in common sense is that it isn't common. The rules have to apply to everyone for the good of the welfare of all boys. I'm sure you would would rather err on the side of protecting the scout then not. Bob P.S I always saw my as being ultimately responsible for seeing that scouts developed into leaders. The ultimate responsibility for the success of the troop was

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Evmori, This is a huge program with thousands of units. I realize that you probaly took every precaution, but not every one does. As stated before the problem eith trusting in common sense is that it isn't common. The rules have to apply to every for the good of the welfare of all boys. I sure you would would rather err on the side of protecting the scout then not. Bob

sctmom, Something that would help your situation is a part of the patrol method called the New Scout Patrol. It was designed and introduced to Boy Scouting in the late 80's and is still the recommended way to operate a scout troop. It is designed to meet two specific needs of new scouts. Advancement and Socialization. The New Scout Patrol is a group of 6 to 8 newly crossed over webelos or webelos aged boys to a patrol. That patrol is assigned an Assistant Scoutmaster and an older scout of at least First Class Rank as the Troop Guide. The advancement goal for the New Scout Patrol is F

Fscouter, Speaking for myself. I apologize if I have brlittled anyone. i do not apologize for pointing out the scout methods and policies that are being ignored by trained scouters. I remain curious as to why when references are given to basic scout manuals the show the correct scout method, we receive such hostile replies. how come no one has said. "Wow, I haven't let my scouts use the patrol method, we'll have to make some changes." Instead we get "Thats not what we do, how dare you let the boys control their own troop." There seems to be people here who want new ideas as long

Yes, I used to be a Bob White and a good 'ol Bob White to... I would love to hear your evaluation. I was fortunate enough to be one of the contributing authors to the new Wood Badge. I hope you find it to be a mountain top experience. Bob

It has been my experience that a registered adult that won't wear the uniform also will not follow other scouting program elements and regulations. A bad leader is worse than no leader.

tdyer, You raise a common question and I can give you two reasons. 1. when a person holds multiple positions it can become a barrier to youth protection. There were many cases throughout the coutry were adults were able to approve themselves for membership. there needs to be checks and balalances to make sure that references are checked and we are getting the proper leaders in place. 2. when someone who wears multiple hats within a unit leaves they leave multiple holes behind. not everyone wants multiple jobs. They see joe leaving and they see all the different things joe did and theu

"To the fullest extent possible, the merit badge badge counselor relationship is a counselor-scout arrangement in which the boy is not only judged on his performance of the requirements, burecieves maimum benefit from the knowledge, skill, characterr and personal interest of his counselor" the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures manual. The Counselor has a two part job, to guide and instruct, and to evaluate. All scouting advancement is based on 4-steps; the scout learns, the scout is tested, the scout is reviewed, the scout is recognized. In the merit badge process the MB

I think we can look at 2 primary reasons that you feel the way you do Eman. 1. Is the quality of some merit badge instruction. 2. the over-emphasis of the Eagle rank by Scoutmasters. First the Merit Badge instruction. To mant merit badge instruction such as local Merit Badge Days stress getting the entire merit badge in 90-minutes or less. The support a process of minimal instruction and group knowledge testing. Neither of which are in keeping with BSA advancement principles. I put summer camp in the same category with many of the MB earned there. Swimming , Rifle and Shot

While we wait fo mommascout to respond I'll mention that I first took training when it was Cornerstone, Then I took and taught Scout Leader Basic Training, then took and taught Woodbadge, then took and taught Scoutmaster Fundamentals, not to mention Outdoor Experience and have now taken and taught the new Scoutmaster/Asst, Scoutmaster Job Specific Leader Training and Introduction to Outdoor Skills. All these in 4 different councils. In every one of them the Patrol Method and Patrol Activities were a central part of the instruction. Bob

Nicely done featherswillfly. I've always found that the adults setting the patrol example is not only good training for the scouts, but is the best ASM recruitment tool. When parents see that when they come on a campout their job is to work with other adults and observe while the boys follow the agenda camp agenda made by the PLC, they understand that being a leader is not the hassle they expected.

For me it was how to lead by asking questions rather than giving orders. Bob

Many units I come in contact with have been very successful in getting scouts to wear full and correct uniforms. They have all done it without the use of threats of punishments. Ithought I would share some of those methods with you and maybe you would have some to add as well. Bob 1. Take the time to explain to parents the imortance of the uniform and why we wear one. let them know from the beginning that the uniform includes shirt, pants, belt, socks, and if your unit has chosen a neckerchief, and uniform hat. 2. Have all Adults set the example, no exceptions. it is better to not

Many units I come in contact with have been very successful in getting scouts to wear full and correct uniforms. They have all done it without the use of threats of punishments. Ithought I would share some of those methods with you and maybe you would have some to add as well. Bob 1. Take the time to explain to parents the imortance of the uniform and why we wear one. let them know from the beginning that the uniform includes shirt, pants, belt, socks, and if your unit has chosen a neckerchief, and uniform hat. 2. Have all Adults set the example, no exceptions. it is better to not

Many units I come in contact with have been very successful in getting scouts to wear full and correct uniforms. They have all done it without the use of threats of punishments. Ithought I would share some of those methods with you and maybe you would have some to add as well. Bob 1. Take the time to explain to parents the imortance of the uniform and why we wear one. let them know from the beginning that the uniform includes shirt, pants, belt, socks, and if your unit has chosen a neckerchief, and uniform hat. 2. Have all Adults set the example, no exceptions. it is better to not

It has become obvious through the many string and posts at this board that the Patrol method means entirely different things to different people. What concerns me most are the people who when they hear of scouts who are given more leadership opportunities then their scouts get become defensive rather than excited. They say "How could you?" instead of "How can I?" This string is to allow those who use the patrol method of scout (as Baden-Powell said "The only method of scouting") to its full measure. Here is just one of my examples. The troop arrives at the campground and the pat

Nice to meet you you mommascout. I really don't mean to come on as strong as I do sometimes on these posts. I have unlimited patience with scouts of all ages, and with new leaders looking to provide a scouting experience in service of youth. I have great fun with scouters who let the program methods guide them rather than their opinions. But I find I have limited tolerance for "veteran scouters" who believe their mathods are superior to the BSA but they refuse to acknoweldge the the information in BSA resources and training that are the scouting program. Bob

Thank you shemgren, You are correct.

We stopped turning new cubs upside down because for some children being up-ended by a stranger in front of a crowd of other strangers, isn't as fun for them as it evidently is for you. How many small children are you wiling to frighten for the sake of "tradition"?

Where do we get patrols opersting individually?? How about page 20 of the Official Boy Scout Handbook. How about page 22 of the Scoutmaster Handbook How about at training. "Troops are not divided into patrols, Patrols come together to form a troop. "Ages and stages has been a part of scout leader training for over 10 years." Without the patrol method you are not scouting, you are just doing stuff in a scout uniform. Evmori, not only are your scouts not having a real scout experience, you are missing out as well. I hope you will consider taking one day of your time