theysawyoucomin'

I would give a lot to have three or four Scouts like you in the Troop.

As Brent said make sure you are mentoring the younger boys. Teach them what you were taught.

Best of luck to you!!!

Dean and Eamon were spot on here. I hope your Troop does well.

I would give a lot to have three or four Scouts like you in the Troop.

As Brent said make sure you are mentoring the younger boys. Teach them what you were taught.

Best of luck to you!!!

Dean and Eamon were spot on here. I hope your Troop does well.

One other note. The new parents seem to really appreciate it that you are trying to save money. I told them to throw the $40 towards camp.

Camp is fun.

Lisa has it correct. 4 times 12.99 is shy of $52.

Tiger, wolf, bear, Webelos.

Some boys can just wear one adjustable hat for 4 years, sometimes two if they get lost, lost.

The names are great on the back. Helps the cubmaster know even the smallest boys.

About 7 years ago our CM was a US Navy Commander.

He was very used to seeing people in navy blue baseball caps with their ships name embroided on them. They are common on every ship in the navy.

We got PACK 3210

ANYTOWN on Thames ,NY

on the front

and the Cub's name or polite nick name on the back. They lasted the boys for all their years in Cubs and turned a $50 something dollar expense into a $12 epense over the 4 1/2 years that a Cub goes from Tiger to WEEB 2.

I know it wasn't official but there was never a wayward hat from no knowing whom it belonged to and all the boys looked the same.

We used the official neckers for each year. I used to like only having one kind of slide too, but heck the money spent on lost slides alone is the only thing that keeps the books balanced at National.

Worked for us, "your actual mileage may vary".

Our DE saw the Cubs plenty of times and never said a thing. The Pack still carries on the same practice.

The Troop does too.

All the best to you.

As I look back on the original post I spoke about a lack of conformity for uniforming and over conforming in clothing styles.

Brown,

I always look at people's past posts. It gives you some insight into where the person comes from and what may have formed their thoughts.And you are correct it is quite easy to count to 9 and put 3 over the top and get.33333.

But don't belittle a concern about uniforming that somebody else may have.

I would argue that you can surely have a great Troop with shirts and neckers and blue jeans all day long. I'm sure you do. Heck we went camping twice this year, I hope you went more. I hope every Troop in America went more.

Frankly our troop has been much more healthy just a short time ago. I'm not looking for robots, I'm trying to decipher what kids want and why getting a piece of surgical steel jabbed into the side of one's nose is so much more fun that taking a little pride in how you look and maybe raising the bar a bit when it comes to appearance.

The last thing I want to do is fight with somebody I'm never going to meet that lives 1500 miles away, but I also don't want that person to blow off a legit concern that I may have. I came to hear what works for you and many others:

not

it wasn't your COH

Nobody is asking you to leave the uniform topic alone.

As far as a perfect Troop I'll settle for one where they focus on having a good time 99% of the time and 1% they can get it together to look like they have a little pride in their organization

short,

which reply was harsh? mine or? the equiv of forget about what your question, statement or concern was, nobody cares----which was it?

Brown stated, "I was his court not yours" actually the Troop and the family work very hard to put this together. Our Troop gives $125 to each family to help them throw this "party" for the Eagle.

Finally, I said it bothered me. I did not say anything to the Scout nor did I send him home.

Had it been my son's COH he would have been asked to go change.

Brown,

Now we agree I do hear adults talk about uniforming more than kids.

However comma

The Eagle COH is for parents, grandma's, aunts and uncles and the boy. It carries with it some ounce of "something worth getting dressed up for". When the Town Supervisor come to read the town proclaimation she wears a dress, when to town judge comes he wears a jacket and tie. The School principal wears a tie. We just must be out of step with the rest of the world.

The words in some selected ceremonies talk about the long trail to Eagle, how much work it was, etc. It ain't running to the corner store for milk.

I do agree there are other things that need attention besides uniforms---but this is the UNIFORM area of the website. The subject was uniforms. In fact 33% of your posts have said don't worry about uniforms on the unform area.

"I don't think the boy getting his eagle was to concerned about another boys choice of shoes. I am sure he was happy that he came. I was his court and not yours. "

Wow! I guess you sure set me straight.

You can know what a Scout is feeling all the way from KC.

Are you equally good a stocks and bonds and powerball numbers?

Hal,

I write plebeian stuff all the time. Do us both a favor and kindly hit "ignore this user".

Lisa,

"All of the boys and adults in my son's troop show up to pretty much everything in full uniform. Over time, it becomes ingrained that this is just how the troop functions. Older boys take on the responsibility of passing it along to the next generation of scouts who join. "

We too have a requirement of a full uniform for BOR. EXCEPTION: A Scout does not have to own Scout pants(new style old style etc.) during his first year with the Troop. We figure after a year a Scout knows if he wants to continue.

I just wish we had boys that believed enough in the program to want to be proud enough of the organization to desire to do their best to be completely uniformed.

We have two Troop meetings a month. The first you wear your uniform the second you wear a Troop T shirt. Not a tall order IMHO.

We do wear the uniform when we leave for long Trips or weeklong camp.

Boys really have no opportunity to wear a uniform to school. A small number used to wear them to Cub meetings right after school.

I want to be the SM of a unit where the Scouts want to wear a uniform.

Do I want mind control?

No.

I guess I just want them to run a unit where they want to be there and buy into the program. The uniform is a small but visible part of that.

Boomer, I am expecting the kids to make it interesting. They pretty much have carte blanche. They should know what interests them.

Please excuse my tardiness here.

Google twin rivers council pow wow.

I personally think our council runs one heck of an event.

The Guy who runs it deserves all the credit in the world.

Cubs love soda bottle water rockets. The water shoots all over. the rocket flys farther than you can imagine and the cost is one empty 2 liter bottle and some cardboard fins. PM me and I will email the power piont for the class.

Another class I would like to see is a crystal radio class. It is a bear elective that I see fading into the lime light. It was in the first cub book in 1930. It is in the cub book now but I'd be willing to bet not 1000 cubs did it last year.

Lisa,

Please comment again but don't focus on the ACLU.

We agree on very little but I am always ready to "hear" (really read) what you have to say.

"While the ACLU fights for acceptance for everyone's individual expressions, why are those of the BSA; uniforms , standards, and customs being critized by a vocal group both in and out of Scouting?"

Please strike that and add:

"While many fight for acceptance for everyone's individual expressions, why are those of the BSA; uniforms , standards, and customs being critized by a vocal group both in and out of Scouting?"

When the ACLU begins to fight for gun rights as strongly as the right to call an image of a crucifix in a glass pitcher of urine "art"--they may have some street cred.

We can fight about them if you wish to pm me.

Let us talk about uniforms and the zeal to be smartly turned out as we present the image of Scouting.

This question came from Eammon's great post about uniforms that became about 11 pages long.

I don't agree with some things on that post, but that's ok if Eammon was in my District I would probably seek him out at a Camporee to get his opinion over a cup of coffee or piece of pie.

This question or statement centers on the discussion on pages 7-9 about uniforms.

I stated that we can't just let kid's do what they want whenever they want.

I guess that needs to be clarified.

We are supposed to teach them to make sound and ethical choices at certain times.

One thing that bothered me once was a scout wore flip flops with his uniform to another Scout's Eagle COH. I thought that was bad form. I did not say anything. But still thought it was bad form. I live near Albany N.Y. Not Honolulu(sp?)

At a semi formal dance for the 8th graders we had a boy do the same thing, flip flops and tee shirt with shorts. Girls purchased new dresses, boys in ties. Now this kid must wear a tie as part of the Basketball team and as part of the band, so let us not even go down the affordability road. I saw kids I know are "poor" who looked great.

A lot of the uniform argument centers on conforming to a standard. National helps us by saying that a uniform is not required(gotta love it) and then putting out a magazine where kids wear uniforms.

I would be the first to agree you can have a very good kid who owns only a Troop tshirt and nothing else. I think is incumbent upon the adults to set up uniform banks. In time that very zealous Scout would love a hand me down uniform.

There was even a story about "inside the Neverland Ranch". There was a picture of a manequin (sp?) with a Boy Scout uniform, shirt pants socks and hat. Was this the king of Pop wishing to turn back time to his youth that he missed? Slumber parties with little boys are OK as long as your birth certificate says you are a little boy too. We call them camporees. The best times in life are giggling and laughing in tents just before you fall asleep and taliking about the day or whatever your Scoutmaster did to make his canoe overturn.

Every kid I see wears his ball cap on backwards. Some suffer painful mutilation (sp?) to get ears pierced just to fit in. What standard are they conforming to? Kids wear tee shirts from aeropostale and other brand names and pay $35 for a tee shirt that's hip just to "conform". The folks in the boardroom must love the idiocy of conforming because it is making them filthy rich.

The beltless style of wearing your pants half off your backside comes from having you belt taken away while behind bars.

Again we see conformance by those who want to fit in.

I see adults getting tattoos of Asian symbols that they haven't a clue what they mean. Or tribal tattoos, what tribe does some white guy from Chicago(or Peroria) want to be in?

I think Eammon (it matters not who said it) also stated that a Scout quickly takes off his uniform when he is around his girlfriend.

Well heck, if she likes the lad isn't she supposed to like him warts and all for who he is? Are we really talking about hiding that the boy is a Scout? Does that mean she would not want to attend his Eagle ceremony, he might wear his uniform there?

I think I would like the boys in the Troop to be proud enough to say (and express through uniforming and other methods) "Yes, I'm a Boy Scout. I like it. And we got room for you too if you want to join"

If we don't have that- then yes I would agree we will not survive as a movement.

While the ACLU fights for acceptance for everyone's individual expressions, why are those of the BSA; uniforms , standards, and customs being critized by a vocal group both in and out of Scouting?

Twocubdad,

What is pride , Espirit de Corps, class, realizing there is a time and a place for certain behavior?

Contemorize Man!!!!!!!!

That bilge was tossed for: "it feels good now", mind your own business, the rules and guidelines are for other people, and if I really screw up there will be some gov't agency to clean up the mess at other people's expense.

Now that's progress

Nick,

Nobody is browbeating you about the church paying for this, it's just we know that organizations that want improvements to their property have funds earmarked for fencing and asphalt, shingles and such.

Maybe a visit with the Scoutmaster and you and the board of the church could get this back in track.

Communication is key.

Best wishes, and I hope you make the Eagle rank happen.

Camp Boyhaven is located in Middle Grove, NY on State Route 29 just nine miles west of Saratoga Springs. The camp is owned and operated by Twin Rivers Council, Inc. with offices located at 253 Washington Avenue Extension, Albany, New York 12205.

Lad,

That space on your uniform has some pretty wide latitude.

Proudly wear that patch and I hope it is not long before you do something that is even better in your eyes so you will want to replace it.

A life Scout in our church built an outdoor meditative area. He called Outback Steak and held a dinner. Sold 400 tickets.

For $9 each my family all had a great meal and he earned more than enough for his project.

For both projects (his and yours) why isn't the church paying for the materials? It is a capital improvement to the church. Heck they are getting service hour labour at least they could buy the raw materials.

I think if either patch prompted a boy to say:

"Mr Ozark did you get that as a kid? What did you do to earn it?

Those discussions are always great.

If I had the Govenor Dewitt Clinton Council freeze-out patch from my youth I would proudly wear it.

I think if either patch prompted a boy to say:

"Mr Ozark did you get that as a kid? What did you do to earn it?

Those discussions are always great.

If I had the Govenor Dewitt Clinton Council freeze-out patch from my youth I would proudly wear it.

I love to hear that sewing is a lost art. Something that existed for eons is now too difficult.

Like Dutch oven cooking

starting a fire without matches

finding north without a compass

But Sewing that just is too darn hard.

I have heard and read much talk about this course.

on the way back to the car yesterday right after his final closing my son remarked, "They taught us that the Patrol is way more important than the Troop and everything in based on the Patrol working together".

He has not stopped talking about the week.

Thank you Staff of Twin Rivers Council NYLT. You did a great job.

Steve you have received some very good advice by all here.

Just remember if you give up then chaos wins.

Look at some edmund burke quotes

No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little.

Edmund Burke

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Edmund Burke

Good luck Steve, nobody said it was easy.

I hear so much bad press about the old Scout pants.

My son loves them! Had a pair of switchbacks---DID NOT LIKE THEM

Grew out of his old pants and begged us to find him another pair.

He just came back from NYLT and went with three styles of pants:old school, switchbacks and the new canvas switchbacks.

I think he must like the new switchback best, then the old style. He wants the very light weight switchbacks to go to some other Scout.

I feel that poor uniforming is indicative of our greater society today. Like people telling the Pope which rules they will obey and which ones they won't. People love to do stuff half baked and obey which rules they want.

They don't allow a baseball player to wear whatever pants he wants to.

When all the kids on the soccer team dye their hair Bozo the clown red for the championship game I don't see too many of the kids opt out.

The movement has always had uniforms. It's about time we got back with the program.

Save the basketball shorts and wind pants for the court.

It is about time we taught kids that you just don't do whatever you please all the time.

My wife is a teacher and she says you should see the way teachers dress lately. Want respect? Earn it. And looking the part is the first step in acting the part and gaining respect.

And yes blue jeans are horrible for camping in the Northeast. Unless you miss that old soggy feeling from toddlerhood, you know that blue jeans don't dry out very quickly. I can see why they worked in the west. They could dry out.

A camping recipe from Hague Freezeout who adapted this from a recipe on www.inquiry.net. This tastes great. After 25 minutes check on it. Be sure somebody is there watching because you will be weak in the knees from the great smell.

Prep Time: 40 minutes

Ingredients:

5 Granny Smith apples

20 canned biscuits

2 cups water

2 sticks butter

1 cup sugar

cinnamon

maple syrup

Preparation:

Cut, peel, core and slice apples into 1/8th wedges. Line Dutch oven with foil. Melt butter and mix sugar and water all together. Cut each buscuit in half and form around each individual apple wedge. Pour half of water mixture into lined Dutch oven. Put in biscuit/apples. Pour rest of water mixture over top of buscuit/apples. Drip about a quarter cup of maple syrup on top. Sprinkle with some cinnamon. Cook in Dutch oven for about 40 minutes. For 10" Dutch oven use 10 coals on bottom and 16 on top. For 12" Dutch oven use 12 coals on bottom and 18 on top. Be sure to spin the lid and rotate the oven about every 10 minutes to prevent hot spots.

Servings: 6

Preparation time: 40 minutes

Um,

Why are you asking this?

Is there a problem?